Killers: individual album judgement by yours truly

Magnus

Pica Serdica
I thought it was established that Thunderburst pre dates Ides and that Steve robbed/accidently copied it.
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It's the same track made while Barry was with Maiden. Maiden used it later, and Samson recorded a slightly different version of it in 1980 as Thunderburst.
The release predates Maiden's release indeed if that's what you mean.
 

Niall Kielt

Ancient Mariner
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It's the same track made while Barry was with Maiden. Maiden used it later, and Samson recorded a slightly different version of it in 1980 as Thunderburst.
The release predates Maiden's release indeed if that's what you mean.
Thats not what I meant but you may have hit on the source of my confused delusion, buddy.
 

lira

Nomad
Jenkin's Barn is a joke from Nicko, the song was never called that. And Purkis contributing a drum roll is not deserving of a writing credit.
Yes Jenkin's Barn is a joke. And I expected people to come and talk on IMPub about this, because it's a debatable track list I did. In these days the most you see on FB are "likes" and no one questioning...

I disagree about Purkis. According to him it was his idea to have an intro on the upcoming Maiden shows, so he had that pattern or whatever and he showed that to Harris, who then turned it into a full song. So he deserves to be credited. Why not? If you think about "Gangland" and "Total Eclipse", none of those songs were Burr's ideas and he only contributed with drums.
 
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Forostar

Ancient Mariner
It is an idea. Bruce explained how Clive started that Gangland drumbeat. Since nothing else is written, we can all (drum)fill in what could have happened.

You can hear how the guitar accens fit the drums. These drums certainly had impact. So in a way he influenced the guitar/bass writing.
 
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lira

Nomad
Are you sure about that?
Never heard anything about Clive's picking up a guitar, keyboards or even going for backing vocals. So i can talk fearless that he only contributed with drums/percussion. However... behind the Iron curtains there's always that glove waving the possibility of Maiden giving more credit to a member then he actually deserved or contributed. So being sure would be better.
 

Zare

Automaton Sovietico
There are ways to instruct people what to play without having instrument knowledge. Lars Urlich effectively co wrote that Enter Sandman riff with one sentence that came out of his mouth.

Also Powerslave and the very elaborate instrumental section that's full of melodies, beats and other stuff that wasn't present in the verses and choruses. And ultimately we know how EOTC development was done so I'd fire a hypothesis that Total Eclipse and Gangland had a lot of Clive's input (verbal or otherwise) to them.

One of them has also been refered to as "Clive's song" by Smith somewhere in the interview so it's a fair bet that he led the development.
 

PhantomOfTheOpera

Ancient Mariner
@The_7th_one can you help me a bit and send me the Bremen/Beat Club 1981 show?
I mean the best version that was the full uncut show uploaded from their own tapes.
I linked it here when it was uploaded but I was so disappointed when it somehow disappeared later.
Would like to see it again.
 

Black Bart

Ancient Mariner
I've tried uploading again on YT under a "fake" name and with an unrelated miniature image, but it was taken down anyway. :(
 

PhantomOfTheOpera

Ancient Mariner
I've tried uploading again on YT under a "fake" name and with an unrelated miniature image, but it was taken down anyway. :(
Yep, I've heard this happen. No matter what, if someone tries to upload something under fake and etc names..they have just their ways to identify all the material. My friend told that he had uploaded some rare Elvis stuff and it was immediately reported and taken down in the USA.
 
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