So does Ian Hill. It really is one of their more awkward band photos IMO.
Judas Priest Discography Discussion (part 2 starting page 20)
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Saapanael
Ancient Mariner
Oh wait? Is he really a paedophile?
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
Yep, served prison time for attempted rape of a 17 year old.
Yax
Ancient Mariner
He's a scumbag. Said 17 year old was disabled and Holland was his drumming teacher.
Priest obviously disowned Holland (like: "Listen, I have not spoken with Dave Holland in 20 years.") Also notice how Priest never mentioned Holland on the Making of British Steel DVD, which was recorded while Holland was in jail.
Priest obviously disowned Holland (like: "Listen, I have not spoken with Dave Holland in 20 years.") Also notice how Priest never mentioned Holland on the Making of British Steel DVD, which was recorded while Holland was in jail.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
I do. Do the Germans erase Hitler from their history books? No they don't.
@Yax: do you know where I can read more on the charges and on Holland's defense, I'd like to know what Holland's reasoning is when he says he is innocent. This sentence on Holland's wiki page certainly makes me wonder, but it is wiki, and I can't find a background article (the links goes to something else??):
Even if it is 100% proven that he was guilty, then I think it is idiotic and naive to try and cover up that you have played with someone, in your most successful era, for a decade. You can't cover it up. Every logical thinking listener will wonder who played the drums.
@Yax: do you know where I can read more on the charges and on Holland's defense, I'd like to know what Holland's reasoning is when he says he is innocent. This sentence on Holland's wiki page certainly makes me wonder, but it is wiki, and I can't find a background article (the links goes to something else??):
Even if it is 100% proven that he was guilty, then I think it is idiotic and naive to try and cover up that you have played with someone, in your most successful era, for a decade. You can't cover it up. Every logical thinking listener will wonder who played the drums.
Crimson Idol
Caveman
My albums have him listed ^^
Cosmiceddie
Back From The Edge
'British Steel' was the first Priest album I listened to back in 1981. I've always been partial to 'You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise' which is my favourite song from the album. Other favs are 'Steeler', 'The Rage' and 'Breaking The Law'. The live DVD/CD from the 30th Anniversary edition is awesome. It shows what a great live band Priest still are.
When someone asks what metal sound like, this is the album that I think of.
This is the album that announced the NWOBHM had arrived.
The rhythm guitars are so crunching and powerful, the solos so memorable and melodic.
Holland's despicable crime aside, he and Hill's simpler beats and pounding sound just fit what the band was trying to do at this point of their career.
And Halford added some grit and heft to his voice for this one, some snarl.
I'm OK with the simpler Priest songs on Steel because their hooks are so good, and they sound so good.
I find it almost impossible not to sing along with the vocal melodies — and strum along to the riffs — on Law, Grinder, Midnight and Wise. They are all so catchy.
United might be the weakest track, but I've sung it more than few times on a drunken night out with my buddies and bet I'm not the only one here who can say that.
They are all proof simple can be great.
And the less-commercial tracks are all great tracks — Rapid Fire and Steeler kick ass and the Rage is an underrated classic.
And if you do a list of the most iconic metal songs of all-time Metal Gods has to be on it.
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As an aside, my 30-year old bought-in-Canada vinyl has the following track listing:
Side A: Breaking the Law/Rapid Fire/Metal Gods/Grinder/United
Side B: Living After Midnight/You Don't Have to be Old/The Rage/Steeler
I notice that's not always the case elsewhere. Does anyone know what the deal is with that?
This is the album that announced the NWOBHM had arrived.
The rhythm guitars are so crunching and powerful, the solos so memorable and melodic.
Holland's despicable crime aside, he and Hill's simpler beats and pounding sound just fit what the band was trying to do at this point of their career.
And Halford added some grit and heft to his voice for this one, some snarl.
I'm OK with the simpler Priest songs on Steel because their hooks are so good, and they sound so good.
I find it almost impossible not to sing along with the vocal melodies — and strum along to the riffs — on Law, Grinder, Midnight and Wise. They are all so catchy.
United might be the weakest track, but I've sung it more than few times on a drunken night out with my buddies and bet I'm not the only one here who can say that.
They are all proof simple can be great.
And the less-commercial tracks are all great tracks — Rapid Fire and Steeler kick ass and the Rage is an underrated classic.
And if you do a list of the most iconic metal songs of all-time Metal Gods has to be on it.
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As an aside, my 30-year old bought-in-Canada vinyl has the following track listing:
Side A: Breaking the Law/Rapid Fire/Metal Gods/Grinder/United
Side B: Living After Midnight/You Don't Have to be Old/The Rage/Steeler
I notice that's not always the case elsewhere. Does anyone know what the deal is with that?
Legal and personal punishment are two different things. Not to mention it may simply have been Priest's response to any possible present or future allegations of supporting a child rapist.
My dad's cassette copy is like this too. From my understanding, it was released this way in all of North America. Even some early CD pressings are like this I think.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Couldn't agree more, Mckindog. Well described.
Hmm but I never noticed that the order of Wise and Midnight is also different(?)
As if prison sentence is not a personal punishment. But I guess you mean they also wanted to also punish him, in spite / on top of anything else.
The word support has many definitions. But yes, if they're chickens and want to clean themselves of him as if he were a leprosy patient, they should continue to do this.
That had been the regular order worldwide until the 2001 remasters. I guess the band (always) wanted Rapid Fire as the opener so they corrected this.
Hmm but I never noticed that the order of Wise and Midnight is also different(?)
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Crimson Idol
Caveman
Why is it anything to do with cowardice? If someone I knew did something like that I would distance myself from them as much as possible, I wouldn't want to be associated with them.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Cowardice --> I didn't use that word but I used chickens in this light: being afraid of unlikely allegations that say they supported a child rapist..... (well they had their share of lawsuits 
Distancing? That's several options. It can mean that you don't phone him or don't talk about him. Of course I don't say Priest has to talk about him, go with him on the photo or speak out public support. But trying to rewrite the history (of your most successful decade)? That's something else.
By the way, I still haven't seen any censorship so maybe this discussion is about something that has not taken place.
Distancing? That's several options. It can mean that you don't phone him or don't talk about him. Of course I don't say Priest has to talk about him, go with him on the photo or speak out public support. But trying to rewrite the history (of your most successful decade)? That's something else.
By the way, I still haven't seen any censorship so maybe this discussion is about something that has not taken place.
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Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
My two cents here: I think the word "paedophile" is off the mark. A 17 year old is not a child, and the word paedophilia means sexual attraction to chilren - in the sense pre-puberty. In many countries, it's perfectly legal for 17-year olds to have sex.
Of course, Holland is still a scumbag for what he did, and he deserved to go to prison for it, but that's not because the victim was 17.
Of course, Holland is still a scumbag for what he did, and he deserved to go to prison for it, but that's not because the victim was 17.