Iced Earth

Discussion in 'Music Discussion' started by Forostar, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    This is so weird...

    He regroups with his old band, from which he's already taken a ton of material and repurposed it for Iced Earth, gets the original IE singer back, and releases a song with the same title as one of the more iconic IE tracks...it's just so bizarre.

    That said, I do really like the song. Gene sounds great, 1000% better than his debut performance. Between the verses and the wailing I get a kind of Ghost-meets-King Diamond vibe that really works. I immediately enjoyed this more than any Iced Earth song since The Clouding.
     
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  2. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler CriedWhenBazzaSued Staff Member

    Jon has his own studio now, so why not record a few songs with old friends.

    I wouldn't be opposed to a full album with this lineup, could be fun. Redemption time for Gene Adam as a vocalist, at least.
     
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  3. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    Yeah it wasn't too bad. Felt a little more doomy than most IE stuff.
     
  4. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    Definitely. I'd be very open to that idea. It would also give Jon some time off from IE and maybe a refresh on his songwriting.
     
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  5. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Ok this is awesome. I love how you can hear elements of other Iced Earth songs in there. It gives you more context for how those later songs came to be. This song by itself is great though. It's like a lost classic IE track. Way better than any of the unused material heard on Days of Purgatory. Even better, the vocals and production sound great. It's like a mix of Stormrider, Burnt Offerings, and Horror Show. Awesome combination and, if the rest is like that, this EP will be the best thing Schaffer has done since the 90s. I really hope he does more with this group.
     
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  6. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    I guess these titles are the original, old Purgatory titles. With a connected to the lyrics in these old songs. He reused the titles later in IE but now he (and Purgatory) stick to the old authentic stuff, titles included. Because this material has older origins, and the different music, I can see these as very different things. Would be weird to give the old song a new title. Less authentic.
    There was just one song, previously unreleased: Winter Nights.
     
  7. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Ok well that happens to be the best of the bunch, so I really want to hear more Purgatory stuff.
     
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  8. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Can't find the Owen one here:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvExpNxL1KM_QlMMWmwQYMw/videos
     
  9. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Of course, demos also exist. Here are the pre-Iced Earth (album) works. Info mostly taken from metal-archives, YouTube comments and a few other sites.

    Please comment if you like. Did I miss something, do you know more of a certain release or line-up?
    I'll add links to sound (vids on YouTube) later.

    I
    1985 / Purgatory - Burning Oasis:
    1. Burning Oasis 10:20
    2. Jack 03:55 Show lyrics
    3. Lobotomy
    4. Jason
    Dave Abell Bass (this is metal archives info; not sure about this since wiki says Abell joined in 1987, and Richard Bateman stayed until (somewhere in) 1986)
    Greg Seymour Drums
    Bill Owen Guitars (lead)
    Jon Schaffer Guitars (rhythm)
    Gene Adam Vocals
    [​IMG]

    II
    1985 / Purgatory - Psychotic Dreams:
    1. Jack 03:44 Show lyrics
    2. In Jason's Mind 05:10 Show lyrics
    Bill Owen Guitars (lead)
    Jon Schaffer Guitars (rhythm)
    Greg Seymour Drums
    Gene Adam Vocals
    Richard Bateman Bass
    [​IMG]

    III
    1986 / Purgatory - Horror Show:
    1. Jack 03:55 Show lyrics
    2. In Jason's Mind 05:11 Show lyrics
    3. Dracula 07:20 Show lyrics
    Dave Abell Bass (this is metal archives info; not sure about this since wiki says Abell joined in 1987, and Richard Bateman stayed until (somewhere in) 1986)
    Greg Seymour Drums
    Bill Owen Guitars (lead)
    Jon Schaffer Guitars (rhythm)
    Gene Adam Vocals
    [​IMG]

    IV
    1986 / Purgatory - Burning Florida [Live Bootleg] (source)
    1. Intro
    2. Burning Oasis
    3. Survivors of the Flame
    4. Wild Child
    5. Young Rebels
    6. Creature of the Black Lagoon
    7. Lost in Time
    8. Mausoleum
    9. Stormrider
    10. Jack
    11. Sleaze Queen
    12. In Jason's Mind
    13. In Your Dreams
    14. Lobotomy
    15. Purgatory
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    Richard Bateman or Dave Abell Bass
    Greg Seymour Drums
    Bill Owen Guitars (lead)
    Jon Schaffer Guitars (rhythm)
    Gene Adam Vocals (NOTE: I made up these these credits, I haven't found out yet who is playing here, especially bass; see III & I as well)

    V
    April 12th, 1989 / Iced Earth - Enter the Realm:
    1. Enter the Realm 00:54 instrumental
    2. Colors 05:05 Show lyrics
    3. Nightmares 03:42 Show lyrics
    4. To Curse the Sky 04:46 Show lyrics
    5. Solitude 01:43 instrumental
    6. Iced Earth 05:33 Show lyrics
    Gene Adam Vocals
    Randy Shawver Guitars (lead)
    Jon Schaffer Guitars (rhythm), Vocals
    Dave Abell Bass
    Greg Seymour Drums
    [​IMG]

    VI
    In 1989 another Iced Earth demo came out, Studio Demos '89. This is actually a collection of demo songs that the band had written over the years and recorded*. They were compiled together and used to select the best songs. All of the songs either made it onto the debut album or were later recycled into other songs. Haunted House was later rewritten as Tearing Down the Wall and appears on the first Demons & Wizards album, and Plea of Insanity later became Jekyll & Hyde on the Horror Show album. (source)
    1. Haunted House*
    2. Written on the Walls
    3. Life and Death
    4. The Funeral
    5. Plea of Insanity
    Gene Adam Vocals
    Bill Owen & Randy Shawver Guitars (lead)
    Jon Schaffer Guitars (rhythm), Vocals
    Richard Bateman & Dave Abell Bass
    Greg Seymour Drums (NOTE: I made up these these credits, I haven't found out yet who is playing on which song)
    * does this mean they were also recorded over the years? Or were they (all) re-recorded in 1989? I have only heard Haunted House so for me it's too early to know.
    [​IMG]
    *Haunted House surfaced on a bootleg compilation called Enter the Realm of Purgatory.
     
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  10. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler CriedWhenBazzaSued Staff Member

  11. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    If you and others would like to check my previous post, I'm most confused about the Purgatory bass players. According to metal-archives Abell and Bateman rotated!

    1. Abell on Burning Oasis
    2. Bateman on Psychotic Dreams
    3. Abell on Horror Show

    I sure would like to know more about this.
     
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  12. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler CriedWhenBazzaSued Staff Member

    I added you into the Pod Cast In Stone FB group, you can ask them there. Dave Abell responds there too.
     
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  13. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Excellent, thanks. Will do (hopefully tomorrow, perhaps later).

    Perhaps he can tell who plays on all the listed releases, even the (perhaps) different line-ups on the 1989 collection (2nd 1989 demo)
     
  14. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler CriedWhenBazzaSued Staff Member

    Probably! There are plenty ex and current members in that group, including Barlow.

    I think Ripper Owens and Richard Christy never responded to the podcast invites, but most of the ones they contacted did.
     
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  15. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Nice. A.o. interesting "personal reviews" some nice tributes, e.g. to Eddy Van Halen. Schaffer can describe all this very well I'd say:
     
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  16. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

     
  17. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    This one with David Abell (Iced Earth & Purgatory; 1986 - 1996) was a big pleasure to listen to. Very informative, honest and interesting answers. Loved the stuff about Burnt Offerings and Dark Saga. I like Burnt Offerings even more now.

    Recommended.
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2018
  18. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

  19. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler CriedWhenBazzaSued Staff Member

  20. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    Easily the worst lyrics to any song Jon Schaffer has ever been a part of, but the music is really good. Sounds like Classic IE (because it is). I wish the newer IE material would go back to having vocal melodies like this that lay nicely in the song without overstepping their bounds or trying too hard.

    However, once again, these lyrics are re-goddamn-diculous.
     

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