Hmmm, now hear a mediocre NOTB cover on Rock Band.....

Ardius

Ardius

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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p172Sh3LC7Q
Looks fun, but I wish that Maiden had spent the money to make a multi-track originally. Its a shame they have to use covers like this.
Either that, or I wish Harmonix would get some newer songs which are more likely to have been multi-tracked and so can be used as masters.
I dont think anyone would complain about having Brave New World (the entire album) as masters over having Maiden's classics as covers.
 
Powergirl81 said:
I agree, that guy is bad! I could probably do better  :smartarse: He has no feeling...*ick*

Is that Guitar Hero? I'm not up on all the new stuff...
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Rock Band, notice you not only play Guitar and Bass. You also can sing and play drums. Its been made by the people who used to make the Guitar Hero series, Harmonix. The latest Guitar Hero, "Guitar Hero 3: Legends of Rock", (the one with the Slash adverts) was made by Neversoft.....who are not the best game developers in the world.
An example of the drum controller:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Bk8kb7Pow
An example of vocals:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_B7xv92F8

The game already features Run to the Hills (cover) on the disc, but as of today, you can download the Number of the Beast cover for something like $1.99.

The reason they are using covers and not master tracks is because the game requires each track for each instrument to be seperate (so that the game can cut out the track when you miss a note, but not cut out all the other tracks.) Many of the older recordings were not recorded as mutli-track, as its very expensive. So, most bands mixed down some of the instruments and made it impossible to seperate them without it being very noticable.
The reason Guitar Hero 3 has the master of Number of the Beast and Rock Band does not is because apparently Maiden mixed down the drum track when they recorded it. Guitar Hero only requires the guitar track (at the most, but sometimes they use the bass for 2 player) and so its not affected by this.
 
InfiniteDreamer said:
Funny game indeed !

But that's a game...it's allowed to be mediocre in a game.

But it's not ok being mediocre on stage !

A true mediocrity jewel from my country, Eduardo Falaschi (he sings with the Angra act) killing Icarus !

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nBp-eAQsxdA

He doesn't even know the lyrics !
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I think a song being represented on a game is equal to a song being represented on a stage. They both get to an audience and both give people impressions.
 
Disagree, but do respect your opinion Ardius.

In a game guys play that "weirdo" baby guitar or pretend they play drums with a joystick. On stage "fingers bleed" !!!!

Not to mention the audience ...40.000, 100.000 people x 4 drunken buddies at home singing TNOTB along with an XBOX360 game !
 
InfiniteDreamer said:
Disagree, but do respect your opinion Ardius.

In a game guys play that "weirdo" baby guitar or pretend they play drums with a joystick. On stage "fingers bleed" !!!!

Not to mention the audience ...40.000, 100.000 people x 4 drunken buddies at home singing TNOTB along with an XBOX360 game !
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.....or some person decides to go play on his mates new game. He heard it was lots of fun and he knows a few songs on it.
Thet play for a few hours and they come across Run to the Hills. They have lots of fun playing and said person decides "hey, that was a pretty fun song, I wonder what Iron Miaden's other material sounds like".
You completely miss my point entitrely.
I wasnt talking about the skill its being played or anything. Im just saying that a game is adding another audience of people who may have not heard Maiden's material and may be inspired.

Ok, and as a gamer, Im going to take offence from the "wierdo baby guitar" comments. Its a game, there isnt meant to be a comparison between it and real life, thats the point usually in playing a game. To escape reality, to live a fantasy. For example, you can drive cars in Gran Turismo at speeds that you would never even dare in real life. Same goes here, you are given the experience of having to play in rythmn and keep coordination, thus helping you "pretend" you are really playing the song and have some fun.
The game was never meant to teach you guitar or drums or singing. Yes, it may help certain elements that help you play these instruments in real life, but they are quite limited.
The intention of the game is to perhaps inspire people to learn the real instruments and maybe increase their interest in some well known and some unknown music.

Edit: Oh, and you talk about numbers in audience? Well, lets see, one tour where only a few hundred thousand get to see it against  a game thats going to be distributed all around the world and interest not only metal fans but also pop, rock, nu-metal, non-music etc fans.
 
Ardius said:
The reason they are using covers and not master tracks is because the game requires each track for each instrument to be seperate (so that the game can cut out the track when you miss a note, but not cut out all the other tracks.) Many of the older recordings were not recorded as mutli-track, as its very expensive. So, most bands mixed down some of the instruments and made it impossible to seperate them without it being very noticable.
The reason Guitar Hero 3 has the master of Number of the Beast and Rock Band does not is because apparently Maiden mixed down the drum track when they recorded it. Guitar Hero only requires the guitar track (at the most, but sometimes they use the bass for 2 player) and so its not affected by this.
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I thought it had to do with the simpler legal fact of bands allowing the developers to use the original song instead of a cover...
 
Onhell said:
I thought it had to do with the simpler legal fact of bands allowing the developers to use the original song instead of a cover...
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Yes, in some cases. However, Harmonix is part of "MTV Games" now and also have the backing of EA, so money is not a problem (shown clearly with the Metallica masters). Some bands still dont like the idea though and that is a legal thing.
However, Harmonix officially made a statement saying that if any song on the game is a cover, its because they were unable to use the master due to the way it was originally mixed.
The fact Guitar Hero 3 has the song means nothing, because both games have the master of The Strokes "Reptilia".

At the very least, this seems a likely reason for the Iron Maiden tracks, because they seem to be fine with having the masters or covers on the games, so is not a legal issue.
 
Ardius,

I'm a gamer but also a guitar player, that's what makes Guitar Heroes and alikes so boring to me. It's like doing sex to a sex shop doll. I simply find no fun at Guitar Hero and it makes me feel like those 9 year-olds at shopping malls arcades who keep dancing on that magic floor. Sorry.

Again on the audience issue. OK. The game may be sold to millions of adults, kids, etc, but the average of the audience in a standard "venue" (household) will be of 4-6 people.

Definitely it's impossible to compare both things.

cheers
 
InfiniteDreamer said:
Ardius,

I'm a gamer but also a guitar player, that's what makes Guitar Heroes and alikes so boring to me. It's like doing sex to a sex shop doll. I simply find no fun at Guitar Hero and it makes me feel like those 9 year-olds at shopping malls arcades who keep dancing on that magic floor. Sorry.

Again on the audience issue. OK. The game may be sold to millions of adults, kids, etc, but the average of the audience in a standard "venue" (household) will be of 4-6 people.

Definitely it's impossible to compare both things.

cheers
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I dont see the relevance of this.

Fine, if you dont like the game but dont start trying to stereotype certain games or actively try to insult people that play them.
 
InfiniteDreamer said:
Ardius,

I'm a gamer but also a guitar player, that's what makes Guitar Heroes and alikes so boring to me. It's like doing sex to a sex shop doll. I simply find no fun at Guitar Hero and it makes me feel like those 9 year-olds at shopping malls arcades who keep dancing on that magic floor. Sorry.

Again on the audience issue. OK. The game may be sold to millions of adults, kids, etc, but the average of the audience in a standard "venue" (household) will be of 4-6 people.

Definitely it's impossible to compare both things.

cheers
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whoopdy freakin' do. It is NOT for guitar players, because frankly if you already know how to play a real guitar why do you want to PRETEND you do? Video games are FANTASIES: i.e racing illegally in expensive, fast cars, beating strangers up, rescuing your gf from a murderous gang, etc. Though I have read several reviews by hockey players that play and like the NHL video games. However, for the most part they are to escape reality. Guitar Hero and its offshoots are games, meant to be fun. For people like me who are rockstar wannabes and don't have either the time or the drive (or money) to sit down with a real guitar and learn how to play it because that takes WORK.

But different strokes for different folks since I know plenty of guitar players that like and are quite proficient at said game.
 
I enjoy Guitar Hero.  I don't know if I actually fantasise about being up on stage as I play, but it's a good skill test, and the music is generally decent.  It's nice to be able to listen to music I like with my friends for a change, who are often into hip-hop, R&B, or pop.  It shocked them when I turned out to know over half the words.

Though the covers of Maiden songs have always pissed me off, 'cause I always play them to the wrong rhythm.  Anyway.  It's a great little game...but InfiniteDreamer's right - it's a game, and no substitute for the real thing.  But here, in a university town, you see bar competitions with it and such...but I guarantee you the guy who plays the real guitar gets more.
 
LooseCannon,

I agree 100% with your words. Those who already play the real thing will never do well on the game. The pain of a one and half tone bend  after 2 hours playing is pure bliss ! Not to mention the back aching weight of a Les Paul std. ! I'd love to see a Guitar Hero fanatic who never touched a guitar before  trying to make a "divebomb" on a true Floyd Rose.

Ardius,

I never intended to offend those who enjoy the game.You got it wrong. As I said, I'm a gamer and spend hours in "fantasy land" pretending I own a Ferrari F430.
 
Hmm, not necessarily. If you treat Guitar Hero/Rock Band as something else and not as a simulator for guitar, you should do a bit better. Approach it as a game, not as an accurate representation of what you would play on guitar. This is why "most" guitar players will hate the game, because they approach it like they approach playing their own guitar and try and either play rythmns that are completely different or notes that aren't there.

I have seen guitar players play the game well, I have also seen the reverse of gamers playing the guitar. The thing is, the majority are usually the extremes of either gamers who have hardly any musical experience or guitarists who barely play games.

Anyway, these games are not meant for real guitar players, they are intended to help people gain interest in music and perhaps pick up and play an instrument. They are first and foremost games designed for gamers, mainstream or "hardcore".

So, back to the original complaint. The cover in the game is as much a representation of the song as some random band on youtube playing it. In fact, its more important, as it reaches a lot more ears and it reaches people who wouldnt go looking for Maiden or whatever but find they like it (or hate it). The cover shouldnt be "allowed to be mediocre". However, I dont have any problems with the covers in the games bearing in mind were comparing here with Bruce Dickinson.
 
Ardius said:
I think a song being represented on a game is equal to a song being represented on a stage.
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Hmmm, sounds like you have never played on stage.

Ardius said:
They both get to an audience and both give people impressions.
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How quaint. It appears as though you have never attended a rock concert let alone a Maiden show....


Believe me, Maiden represents their songs *live* a little more "equal" than they are represented in the video game.

And if you attend a Maiden show you are much more likely to get your skull crushed, ears blasted and your head blown off before you even have a chance to get an "impession". (And that's just from the bloke's around you in the crowd... )

;);)

Tongue planted firmly in cheek. No flames. Peace.

Mahlon

;>=~~~~
 
Besides playing live like in the videogame (LOL), Maiden usually accelerates the beat of every song...an old "Arry Harris" favorite. Steve loves to speed things up. This is quite clear when you play along with a live Maiden album as backing track...never knew why they do that, maybe it's the curfew time  :lol:

I guess that on each tour Harris establishes a new "beats per minute" goal to Hallowed be thy name...

"If you guys play HBTN 15 bpms faster than original time you get an extra crate of Carlsberg backstage"

cheers
 
Mahloni said:
Hmmm, sounds like you have never played on stage.

How quaint. It appears as though you have never attended a rock concert let alone a Maiden show....


Believe me, Maiden represents their songs *live* a little more "equal" than they are represented in the video game.

And if you attend a Maiden show you are much more likely to get your skull crushed, ears blasted and your head blown off before you even have a chance to get an "impession". (And that's just from the bloke's around you in the crowd... )

;);)

Tongue planted firmly in cheek. No flames. Peace.

Mahlon

;>=~~~~
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lol
You took what I said out of context. Infinite Dreamer was using a cover by another band as an example of live representation vs. a cover made for a video game. I was not comparing a cover on a video game to Iron Maiden live.
The main point is that both allow people to hear Maiden's material, this is the only thing Im focusing on, not anything to do with being at a concert or learning to play real guitar.....does anyone understand what Im saying? Or are you all just really bad readers? Or is it a case of everyone jumping in the topic after reading one post?
 
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