Helloween & Gamma Ray

Kalata

Out of the Silent Planet
Is that possible, a great Helloween album with only 1 Hansen song?

I like several post-Hansen era albums but these included important Grapow and/or Kusch contributions mostly.
We'll see in two months.;) My favorite album post-Hansen is Master Of The Rings.
 

Night Prowler

Customer Deathcycle Manager
Staff member
Gambling With The Devil was the last great Helloween album and it didn't have Hansen, Grapow or Kusch. Deris and Gerstner were on top of their game there. Then on the next album Deris opens the album with two major stinkers.

Helloween is generally a very inconsistent band both in sound and quality. Sometimes a band member writes all great songs on one album, then all stinkers on the next one.
 

Jer

Fool! Doctor Doom does as he pleases!
If he can pull out such a fantastic song like ''Avalon'', I can't call that creative burnout.
Well, if you look at the full body of work after Majestic, it’s pretty sad overall. “Avalon” was the best thing he’d done in nearly 10 years, and yes, it’s fantastic.

So is the creative tank empty? No. Has it been sputtering for a long time, though? I’d say yes.
 

KidInTheDark666

What's yours is mine and what's mine is mine too
Deris and Gerstner were on top of their game there. Then on the next album Deris opens the album with two major stinkers.
7 Sinners was a weaker album for him writing-wise (minus the fantastic Long Live the King), but since that he has rebounded with Nabataea, My God-Given Right and Lost In America to name a few.

I think Deris and Gerstner are generally really good writers. Weikath has been their weakest writer for a long while now, almost always coming up with generic cheese. The only exceptions on their 21st century albums are Salvation, Raise the Noise, and Creatures in Heaven. Grosskopf doesn't write that much but his songs are always among the best on any album (Final Fortune, World of Fantasy, Hell Was Made in Heaven, Straight Out of Hell, Heaven Tells No Lies), so I'd like to see more from him in the future.
 

Forostar

Ancient Mariner
Gambling With The Devil was the last great Helloween album and it didn't have Hansen, Grapow or Kusch. Deris and Gerstner were on top of their game there. Then on the next album Deris opens the album with two major stinkers.

Helloween is generally a very inconsistent band both in sound and quality. Sometimes a band member writes all great songs on one album, then all stinkers on the next one.
Is it an inconsistent pattern when Helloween releases three less great albums in a row (after Gambling with the Devil)? All Helloween albums have their great moments and of course it is a very personal thing if an album was great or not but could it be argued that the two albums before Gambling were not that great either?

So perhaps GWTD was one of the few great albums (or the only great album) in a string of 6 albums.

I can enjoy some Pink Bubbles Go Ape, but definitely because of the Grapow input. Mankind, The Chance, Someone's Crying. Top quality especially the last two. The non-Grapow songs bar Number One I did not find good (I like Kids of the Century as well but not that much). So as a whole album, not a great album.

IMO Chameleon has one of Helloween's very best songs, Giants. I Believe was very good as well. Both no Grapow credit. So while songwriters are not always flawless (at least in someone's opinion ;) ), Grapow did very good on all the albums he was on, bar one. As an album I enjoy this one the least of all pre GWTD albums. The style was not my cup of tea on a huge percentage of this album.

On the last three albums the amount of "yeah this rules" moments have been sparser imo (and in Night Prowler's opinion if I understand him well).

So forgive me for being surprised by this songwriting balance. It is odd to see Kai having one song. As far as I'm concerned he is the father of power metal. Simply because he easily wrote the most great Helloween songs in the 1980s. And because he was the main songwriter who started the band (and predecessors).

At the same time, maybe he was in a situation to be critical of everyone's input. To stimulate the quality. I hope they all were.. and perhaps it indeed does not matter a flying f. who did what. It is just very striking, I thought, that Deris has 5 songs. How did that happen? Yes he wrote a lot of good songs in the past, but I hadn't expected his works would again have been the most fruitful and the most accepted, in this field. I guess he had "a little time" hehe (it was a long gap!) and used it the best. I hope!

Kiske has no credits.
As long as he has good singing spots I'm perfectly fine. Everyone their quality.
Skyfall showcases an excellent use of all three the singers and together they sound very, very good as well.

Edit: good point Kalata when you talk about b-sides. Helloween has a long tradition of strong b-sides. Often I felt that a lot of these b-sides were better than the average track. Will history repeat and we can say that b-sides are better? It's a long wait.
 
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