Guns n' Roses Survivor 2013 Results Thread: Estranged is the winner!

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Coma is GN'R's Rime. Estranged is their Hallowed. (imo)

Anyway, I don't see how Coma is any more repetitive than Rime, and that one is (rightfully) praised as hell. In fact, I'd argue Coma is more varied than Rime (though truthfully I haven't broken it down Fugitive-style).
 
Rime isn't repetitive at all. Barely has a chorus. Coma pretty much stays the same for the whole song.
 
Rime is repetitive to a certain degree. You've got that chugging riff that repeats through all the verses. Many of the sections are repeated multiple times. You've got that slow (and repetitive) atmospheric bit in the middle that goes on for like 3 minutes then when they get out of the solo section they go back to the chugging riff again as Bruce runs through another set of verses... So you've basically got 4 parts to the song, where two parts are exactly the same. Split up in the middle by a slow (and repetitive) bit and an awesome solo section.
 
Rime is a varied long song with repetitive sections. I don't mind repetitive sections at all, if they're repetitive for a reason. Rime is my second favorite Maiden track. Coma is much more repetitive though, but I still like it.
 
Rime has all those different melodies going in between the verses. And I know that middle section is long, but I like the mood it creates. Not to mention that explosive climax. :notworthy:

Coma doesn't have any of that.
 
Coma has plenty of highlights/climatic moments of its own though...

All the emergency room effects, a quiet atmospheric section of its own in the middle "No one's gonna bother me anymore. No one's gonna mess with my head no more...", an amazing Slash solo and great riffs throughout, the whole ending run down rant by Axl. Yeah lots of great stuff!
 
Really, I'm not saying that it's bad. I quite like it. But it is definitely not comparable to Rime.
 
Rime is more epic in scope and feel, with the whole storytelling aura it has. Helped a long by the fact they took the lyrics from a Coleridge poem . You don't get that feel with Coma, which is of course natural since Guns N Roses is a lot more "Rock n' Roll" based than Maiden. Still seeing it compared to the other stuff Guns did, it is certainly their most epic in their discography and the longest track they ever did.

But since we were talking about repetition I think arguments can be made that they are both quite varied ;)
 
Okay, comparing Coma to other GNR songs is much more reasonable.

Of the extended GNR songs (Civil War to Coma), Coma is my least favorite. Civil War is just a really cool song that defines GNR's sound imo. Everything is there, even the whistling. :D Locomotive is probably less varied than Coma, however, I just enjoy it more. November Rain and Estranged are just epic. Tons of different parts in both and a ton of emotion. Those songs hit hard. Plus Slash just tears it up on both. His best playing is on those two songs.
 
I think I prefer Coma because it manages to be epic AND kick huge amounts of ass at the same time, it isn't a balladry type song like November Rain...

Estranged is probably tied with Coma for me. Civil War a bit further down on my list but definitely top 10 ;)
 
Maybe I'm a sucker for ballads. Especially with GNR. I also really like Patience. I'm the same way with Dream Theater, love most of their ballads.

I think with Coma, the ass kicking overpowers the epicness. It doesn't feel like a long song.
 
Civil War is my favourite GNR track, Estranged and November Rain are close - the three truly great 10/10 songs the band did.
 
What's so repetitive about Coma? Especially when we're comparing it to Rime which really only has two broad sections (the first section, the midsection, and then the reprise to the first section). Coma has three. Now I get if we break it down melody by melody, you could argue Rime has more complex sections, but you could say the same about Coma.

I don't know. I've never felt Coma was repetitive. It generally jumps from one idea to the next and it never repeats a lyric. So I guess what I'm asking is: what specifically is repetitive about it? :huh:

Edit: As for Civil War, before I became a huge GN'R fan, that was my favorite, too. I still think it's one of their best-written songs, and though it's not in my top 10, I'd be totally fine with it winning.
 
I'm not gonna Fugitive all over these songs but, the riff and melodies are repetitive. Sure it never repeats a lyric, but a lot of the vocal melodies are the same.
 
It'd be hard for me to argue Coma's merits without Fugitiving, so I guess I'll just leave it at it does repeat a few vocal melodies, but I hear a lot more variation in the vocal melodies to compensate for the handful of repeating ones (the repeating ones being "Hey you caught me in a coma" and "You live your life like it's a coma;" and "Oh make me come back to this world again" and "Won't you come back to this world again"). Other verses I suppose could be argued, but there are lots of subtle variations within those.

Anyway, not arguing taste here. I just have never thought of Coma as repetitive. This is the first place I've ever seen it being labeled that way. :p
 
I don't think Coma is more repetitive than Rime in any way you try to compare it, be it melodies, riffs, sections, whatever. Sure as hell can't call that outro repetitive >.>

I find it very hard to say which I prefer out of Coma/Estranged/November, but they slightly edge out Civil War. Oddly when I was first getting into GnR a friend had a mix CD with some tracks on and we used to skip Civil War whenever it came up due to the spoken into and being like "wtf?". I think the first time I listened to it properly I was on a day off from school playing C&C Red Alert 2 with GnR mix in the background... Amazing the things you remember ha.

Early favorite? Hmm I don't know. I picked them up sort of one track at a time from friends/the internet before I was bought AFD for christmas. I'd probably say You Could Be Mine or Patience (very opposite ends of the scale) were the ones that got the most listens.
 
I love Civil War but my all time favourite GN'R song is Rocket Queen, followed by Estranged. November Rain suffers from overplaying and if I'm not too fond of it. I only like Slash's playing on it.
 
Crimson Idol said:
I don't think Coma is more repetitive than Rime in any way you try to compare it, be it melodies, riffs, sections, whatever. Sure as hell can't call that outro repetitive >.>

I find it very hard to say which I prefer out of Coma/Estranged/November, but they slightly edge out Civil War. Oddly when I was first getting into GnR a friend had a mix CD with some tracks on and we used to skip Civil War whenever it came up due to the spoken into and being like "wtf?". I think the first time I listened to it properly I was on a day off from school playing C&C Red Alert 2 with GnR mix in the background... Amazing the things you remember ha.

Early favorite? Hmm I don't know. I picked them up sort of one track at a time from friends/the internet before I was bought AFD for christmas. I'd probably say You Could Be Mine or Patience (very opposite ends of the scale) were the ones that got the most listens.
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Definitely agree about Coma. I almost called it the most varied song left in the survivor in my previous post, but then I felt like I couldn't say it without picking the song apart Foro-style. :D

Interesting initial picks. I actually didn't like YCBM at all upon first listen (I now realize the error of my ways). The two songs that got me into GN'R were Coma and Estranged, and my top 5 GN'R songs have actually remained constant since I got into the band (Maiden on the other hand make me change my favorites every single day).

Speaking of Maiden, it's actually their fault I'm a GN'R fan.

Ariana said:
I love Civil War but my all time favourite GN'R song is Rocket Queen, followed by Estranged. November Rain suffers from overplaying and if I'm not too fond of it. I only like Slash's playing on it.
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November Rain's definitely overplayed, and it's unfortunately lowered the quality a bit for me, but imo, the second verse is one of the best moments (in fact, it might be my favorite moment, or at least second to the moment the synth comes in on Locomotive) in GN'R's catalog.
 
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