Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
"All but confirms" means it confirms.
EDIT: According to some reports, the flight recorder has been found.
EDIT: According to some reports, the flight recorder has been found.
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Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Since they area is under control of the separatists, I guess it's going on a single fare to Moscow.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
SBU--the Ukrainian intelligence agency--released one of their smoking guns, intercepts of separatist officers discussing the shootdown.
A fluent Russian speaker on twitter translates:
Ok, I'm translating the intercept now -#SBU_MH17Bes: A plane has been just shot down by a "Miner's" group, it fell down behind Yenakiyevo
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Geranin: Pilots, where r pilots?? Bes: ...went to search for and photograph the plane. it's smoking... Geranin: how many min ago?
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Bes: about 30 minutes ago. // now "Major" and "Greek" talking: Cossacks from Chernukhino checkpoint shot down the plane.
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Major (cont): the plane fell apart in the air, near Petropavlovskaya coal mine. We found the first "200" (dead body), a civilian.
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Greek: what've you got? Major: It's a civilian plane, for sure. Greek: I see. Lots of ppl are there? Major: (agrees by swearing)
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Major (cont): wrecks were falling straight to (local) ppl's yards. Greek: Which flight is it? Major: I haven't figured out yet...
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Major (cont): I haven't been to the main part yet,just where the 1st bodies started falling down.There r pieces of chairs,bodies..
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Greek: I see. Are there any weapons? Major: Nothing at all. Only civilian stuff, medical lumps, towels, toilet paper...
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Greek: Are there any documents? Major: Yes. Documents of the Indonesian student, from the Thompson university, fuck. (the end)
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
A fluent Russian speaker on twitter translates:
Ok, I'm translating the intercept now -#SBU_MH17Bes: A plane has been just shot down by a "Miner's" group, it fell down behind Yenakiyevo
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Geranin: Pilots, where r pilots?? Bes: ...went to search for and photograph the plane. it's smoking... Geranin: how many min ago?
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Bes: about 30 minutes ago. // now "Major" and "Greek" talking: Cossacks from Chernukhino checkpoint shot down the plane.
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Major (cont): the plane fell apart in the air, near Petropavlovskaya coal mine. We found the first "200" (dead body), a civilian.
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Greek: what've you got? Major: It's a civilian plane, for sure. Greek: I see. Lots of ppl are there? Major: (agrees by swearing)
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Major (cont): wrecks were falling straight to (local) ppl's yards. Greek: Which flight is it? Major: I haven't figured out yet...
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Major (cont): I haven't been to the main part yet,just where the 1st bodies started falling down.There r pieces of chairs,bodies..
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Greek: I see. Are there any weapons? Major: Nothing at all. Only civilian stuff, medical lumps, towels, toilet paper...
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
#SBU_MH17Greek: Are there any documents? Major: Yes. Documents of the Indonesian student, from the Thompson university, fuck. (the end)
— Natalia Melnychuk (@pravolivo)July 17, 2014
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Well, that supports the separatist cock-up hypothesis- if it is genuine.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
15 crew: all Malaysian
passengers:
154 Dutch
27 Australian
23 Malaysian
11 Indonesian
6 Great-Britain
4 Germany
4 Belgium
3 Philippines
1 Canada
Probably also 4 French (among the 47 people with unknown nationalities at this point).
There's a careful verification process going (double checks with lists/passports/administration etc.)
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Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Hard to say...
Meanwhile an U.S. official concludes that the plane was shot down. Also there is footage of the plane (wing) burning in the sky.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
The United States has concluded the Malaysian airline was shot down, a senior U.S. official told CNN's Barbara Starr. One radar system saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on and track an aircraft right before the plane went down Thursday, according to the official. A second system saw a heat signature at the time the airliner was hit, the official said. The United States is analyzing the trajectory of the missile to try to learn where the attack came from.
In other developments:
- "We must and we will find out precisely what happened to this flight. No stone will be left unturned," Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak told reporters. He called for an international team to have full access to the crash site. "If it transpires that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators must swiftly be brought to justice," he said.
- U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday that Ukraine's president accepted an offer of U.S. experts to investigate the crash of a Malaysia Airlines jetliner there, adding "they will be on their way rapidly to see if we can get to the bottom of this."
Putin was just cited as follows:
This wouldn't have happened if Kiev wouldn't have continued with hostilities in East Ukraine.
Meanwhile an U.S. official concludes that the plane was shot down. Also there is footage of the plane (wing) burning in the sky.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
The United States has concluded the Malaysian airline was shot down, a senior U.S. official told CNN's Barbara Starr. One radar system saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on and track an aircraft right before the plane went down Thursday, according to the official. A second system saw a heat signature at the time the airliner was hit, the official said. The United States is analyzing the trajectory of the missile to try to learn where the attack came from.
In other developments:
- "We must and we will find out precisely what happened to this flight. No stone will be left unturned," Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak told reporters. He called for an international team to have full access to the crash site. "If it transpires that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators must swiftly be brought to justice," he said.
- U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday that Ukraine's president accepted an offer of U.S. experts to investigate the crash of a Malaysia Airlines jetliner there, adding "they will be on their way rapidly to see if we can get to the bottom of this."
Putin was just cited as follows:
This wouldn't have happened if Kiev wouldn't have continued with hostilities in East Ukraine.
RTC
Libera et impera!
Unsure of developments overnight, but it's still considered a Buk missile that took it down, right?
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Yep, and it's considered that the system that fired it was smuggled over the Russian border, last night.
Latest details of MH17 victims' nationalities: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs0BBCOCAAEQzp7.jpg
The nationalities of 20 passengers are still unconfirmed because lots of people had transferred.
If my mathemathics are still the way they used to be, then the info bearfan provided (23 Americans) is not correct.
Latest details of MH17 victims' nationalities: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs0BBCOCAAEQzp7.jpg
The nationalities of 20 passengers are still unconfirmed because lots of people had transferred.
If my mathemathics are still the way they used to be, then the info bearfan provided (23 Americans) is not correct.