European Politics

[LooseCannon]

97% of global terrorism has Islamic roots. Yeah, this is accounting for much more unstable countries than the US and Canada, but the analogy still stands that this is very much an issue linked to Islam.

Link.

 

[RTC]

Turns out wherever I heard that statistic, it must have been complete bullshit. As it turns out, it was 97% of UK terrorism arrests were Islamic in nature.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ajority-of-domestic-extremists-are-christian/

Apologises for that. I'll try and remember where I heard that and be far more sceptical of their statistics.

 

[LooseCannon]

Brietbart is like Fox News on steroids, dude. No relation to reality - thanks for confirming.

 

[RTC]

Breitbart has some dumb shit, but some decent stuff on there too. It's a very mixed bag.

 

[LooseCannon]

Breitbart has some dumb shit, but some decent stuff on there too. It's a very mixed bag.

Any news site that is edited with the intent of selling a particular ideology should be, by default, disposed of. Same reason I won't quote HuffPo - there's some good stuff there, but there's some stuff that's just crap.

 

[The Flash]

I quite like listening to one of Breitbart's editors, Milo Yiannopoulos. I disagree with him on most things, but he's very enjoyable to listen to and provides a different perspective than I'm used to.

Listening to him has changed my views towards free speech quite a bit, I've moved towards absolutism when it comes to free speech. -Direct calls for violence is my only exception nowadays-

 

[RTC]

I kind of dislike what Milo has done to the LGBT ideology. He perpetuates that it's a choice, and that he only really did it to rebel against his parents in the first place. Seems more like a gimmick than anything else.

Then again, I don't think LGBT should be an ideology in the first place.

 

[LooseCannon]

Milo is a racist and a douchebag, proving that even gay people can be complete assholes.

I'm glad, rather personally, that I live in a country where free speech is protected - unlike Flash, for example. I lean mostly towards absolute freedom of speech, though I believe we need exceptions for inciting hatred, violence, and harassment (like death threats and en-masse verbal assaults that result in medical conditions).

But free speech is a great power. And we all know that with great power comes great responsibility. So while I am glad, for example, that Milo was kicked the fuck off Twitter for his racist abuse of someone because he didn't like their movie, I do not want him arrested. Just like if someone came on this website and started saying the same things, I would ban his ass, but I wouldn't call the cops on him. The things he says are entirely wrong, and I believe in challenging such things. But that's why the marketplace of ideas must exist, and it's my opinion that in general, good ones beat bad ones in the long run.

 

[The Flash]

I did say that I disagreed with most of what he says. -And that's actually an underestimation, there's very few things on which I agree with him-. I quite like listening to people of entirely different political viewpoints than myself, so there's that.

I disagree that he's inherently racist. He strikes me as an elitist and he has a blunt view on a lot of issues regarding race, but he's not a racist. I also disagree that he deserved to be banned from Twitter. Absolutely not. He has a huge amount of followers that value what he says and he should be free to say whatever he wants as long as he doesn't target someone for violence.

Just the fact that hearing him talk has moved to me towards feeling more strongly about free speech is proof that he shouldn't be silenced. Whether you like him, dislike him, or even hate him.

I kind of dislike what Milo has done to the LGBT ideology. He perpetuates that it's a choice, and that he only really did it to rebel against his parents in the first place. Seems more like a gimmick than anything else.

Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous. He also says that LGBT people are the most celebrated people out there, which is utter bullshit.

 

[RTC]

So I got into a heated debate in another forum, and was asked what I want. I quoted Flash's post, and it was equated to a "BNP manifesto."

I am not making this shit up.

 

[The Flash]

So I got into a heated debate in another forum, and was asked what I want. I quoted Flash's post, and it was equated to a "BNP manifesto."

I am not making this shit up.

LOL. Did you quote the entire thing? And did you tell them that it was someone from Middle East writing those arguments? The latter would probably catch them off guard.

 

[The Flash]

No BNP supporter would go anywhere near making these points I made in that post

don't be hypocritical and push them out to the ghettos only to cry after it blows up in your face. *cough* France *cough*

I think this recent point is especially evident with the Civil Rights Movement and the LGBT Rights Movement, action led to more acceptance, limiting speech led to more disdain

Support the secularists in Muslim majority countries. "Muslim" does not inherently mean "anti-secularist".

Do mention me being from the Middle East because he directly attacked you for "not being in touch with Muslims".

He misses the point in the action vs. words argument by so much that it's unbelievable. Protecting free speech does not equal condoning views. How difficult is it to understand? Anti-LGBT and anti-black rherotic did not stop LGBT Rights and Civil Rights movements from happening. Limiting the opposers' freedom of speech instils even more hatred in them for no reason. They can spew whatever they want, action will force them to adapt in time.

He's ridiculously oblivious to state sponsorship of terrorism by the so-called "allied" countries as well. Yah, that's the EXACT point. You shouldn't be allied with state sponsors of terrorism. I also never said "force a regime change". Supporting the secularists means shedding more light on those people, letting their voices be heard in the West, exposing them more into the public, and protecting their well being in foreign affairs.

 

[RTC]

Bear in mind this thread also has gems (from other users) such as:

"I can't even begin to calculate how many lives have been ruined by people insisting that people are sensitive to issues like race, religion, and gender identity. They are destroying civilization world wide."

and

"Yeah! I mean, social justice, what a terrible thing that'd be. Police should be allowed to shoot unarmed black men and who cares about women. Less fairness for everyone!"

It's on a part of the site where you have to sign up to access it and punch in a password, but it's accessible to anyone.

 

[The Flash]

It's the whole "if we don't agree, then you must be an evil piece of shit" approach that haunts both the left and the right politics.

 

[LooseCannon]

I disagree that he's inherently racist. He strikes me as an elitist and he has a blunt view on a lot of issues regarding race, but he's not a racist. I also disagree that he deserved to be banned from Twitter. Absolutely not. He has a huge amount of followers that value what he says and he should be free to say whatever he wants as long as he doesn't target someone for violence.

I think we differ on what violence is. I think that encouraging racist tweets en masse is a form of harassment - and indeed, a form of harassment that can cause significant harm to someone. If that's not violence, I sure as hell don't know what is.

Just the fact that hearing him talk has moved to me towards feeling more strongly about free speech is proof that he shouldn't be silenced. Whether you like him, dislike him, or even hate him.

I'm not asking for him to be silenced. But Twitter is a private organization and can happily choose what they want on their platform. Nobody has a right to Twitter - or Facebook, or Maidenfans, or any other online platform.

 

[Perun]

Four amok attacks in one week in Germany. And last night's in Ansbach was possibly a legit Islamist suicide bombing.

I don't like where this is heading.

 

[Forostar]

As if some chain reaction has accelerated things. The Ansbach man was refused to have a future in Germany, but not sent back to Syria, probably because of the war. He tried to commit suicide twice and was taken into a psychiatric "hospital" (sorry can't think of the correct English term). A desperate, mentally disordered case. Let this be enough for a while.. :/

 

[Brigantium]

This has been a feature of several attacks in Europe lately, hasn't it? People with severe mental health problems.

psychiatric "hospital"

Psychiatric hospital or psychiatric unit would both be correct.

 

[Forostar]

Okay, it came out that the Ansbach man sworn allegiance to IS leader Baghdati (but it isn't sure yet that he had contact with IS). Also, his act is said to be one of revenge (for Germany killing muslims). Still minister De Maiziere emphasizes that the Syrian was confused and had psychiatrical treatment for a while.

 

[Ariana]

He was informed last week that he was going to be deported to Bulgaria, which was the first country he applied for asylum. I guess he couldn't bear the thought.