Ed Force One
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Ardius
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InfiniteDreamer said:
Oh? So why does the name of the plane have to be british?
Yes, the name does have something to do with the band, with the Ed part. Ok, I would understand it being named after a song. However, I dont understand why it has to be british in any way.
What if they named the plane mother russia? Or Alexander the Great? Or.....
InfiniteDreamer
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LooseCannon,
You're correct, they did wrote about other cultures (mainly due to Bruce's expertise in History) but it's impossible to consider Maiden as an universal band. They are British till the top of their heads ! If not they would be part of the NWOCHM (New Wave of Californian Heavy Metal)
Maiden is like Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, the old Queen, Harrods, Marquee, Hammersmith Odeon...a truly genuine British "icon".
OnHell,
I had to say those words. I simply don't "buy" that name, due to many obvious reasons, I mentioned earlier in this post.
If the plane was christened Flying Charlotte it would have been better than EdForce One !!!!
And by the way, after Derek left the cover arts Eddie became history. Eddie for me was fundamental to help building loyalty to the band but after they found out computer softwares to draw Eddies at least for me the character died (again !). God bless old Eddie the 'ead...
cheers
You're correct, they did wrote about other cultures (mainly due to Bruce's expertise in History) but it's impossible to consider Maiden as an universal band. They are British till the top of their heads ! If not they would be part of the NWOCHM (New Wave of Californian Heavy Metal)
Maiden is like Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, the old Queen, Harrods, Marquee, Hammersmith Odeon...a truly genuine British "icon".
OnHell,
I had to say those words. I simply don't "buy" that name, due to many obvious reasons, I mentioned earlier in this post.
If the plane was christened Flying Charlotte it would have been better than EdForce One !!!!
And by the way, after Derek left the cover arts Eddie became history. Eddie for me was fundamental to help building loyalty to the band but after they found out computer softwares to draw Eddies at least for me the character died (again !). God bless old Eddie the 'ead...
cheers
Invader
Ancient Mariner
I disagree with the British view. Maiden shed the skin of NWOBHM long ago; who calls them by that nowadays, anyway? Rather just call their music Heavy Metal, like other classical metal bands like Priest or Sabbath.
Also, Maiden have never identified themselves as properly British. The Trooper cover has a British flag and the flag is part of the song live, but that's pretty much it. You can't say they love their country; in their early days, they lived most of the time (and recorded the albums) outside of Britain, just to escape the taxes. Not very "british", if I may so say. At least, if I moved out of Finland just to escape taxes, I wouldn't identify myself as "Finnish till the top of my head." And Dave even lives in Hawaii, doesn't he? Maiden has never tried to promote their britishness to their fans, they have criticized their own country/culture in their songs, have written a lot more songs about things outside Britain, and for these reasons I find it very hard to justifiy them as a "British" band. Especially as they are more popular in some areas (like Scandinavia) than in Britain.
Also, Maiden have never identified themselves as properly British. The Trooper cover has a British flag and the flag is part of the song live, but that's pretty much it. You can't say they love their country; in their early days, they lived most of the time (and recorded the albums) outside of Britain, just to escape the taxes. Not very "british", if I may so say. At least, if I moved out of Finland just to escape taxes, I wouldn't identify myself as "Finnish till the top of my head." And Dave even lives in Hawaii, doesn't he? Maiden has never tried to promote their britishness to their fans, they have criticized their own country/culture in their songs, have written a lot more songs about things outside Britain, and for these reasons I find it very hard to justifiy them as a "British" band. Especially as they are more popular in some areas (like Scandinavia) than in Britain.
InfiniteDreamer
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Invader,
I respect your points, including the revealing "escape from taxes" info but when I say Maiden is British is not because they sing God Save The Queen every morning or kiss the Union Jack before sleeping. I said that just because the band was born in Britain and all of them are British (including Janick Gers, a name that sounds like he's come from Sweden). They may live in Finland, Poland, Sri Lanka, doesn't matter they still remain British (even if they get a foreign citizenship they were born in the UK). I remember the legendary Long Beach Arena concerts...that Union Jack hanging on the arena's roof...
Just to give another example. Sepultura is the most successful Brazilian band in America, Europe, Asia...eventhough they lived in Phoenix for some time they remained "Brazilian". I can't say Sepultura is not Brazilian. And it would be ridiculous if some day Sepultura announced they'd tour on a private plane christened Sepultura Uber Alles. It makes no sense got it ?
Unless...unless...Ed Force is a marketing ploy.
Arry Harris has agreed about Ed Force One to make "good politics" with the American market, leverage sales in there and reinforce the band's image in such a relevant market. Then 1 year later Maiden launches another tour DVD (Long Beach Arena II) edited by Arry Harris himself, what will cause epilepsy in half of the fans worldwide !
cheers
I respect your points, including the revealing "escape from taxes" info but when I say Maiden is British is not because they sing God Save The Queen every morning or kiss the Union Jack before sleeping. I said that just because the band was born in Britain and all of them are British (including Janick Gers, a name that sounds like he's come from Sweden). They may live in Finland, Poland, Sri Lanka, doesn't matter they still remain British (even if they get a foreign citizenship they were born in the UK). I remember the legendary Long Beach Arena concerts...that Union Jack hanging on the arena's roof...
Just to give another example. Sepultura is the most successful Brazilian band in America, Europe, Asia...eventhough they lived in Phoenix for some time they remained "Brazilian". I can't say Sepultura is not Brazilian. And it would be ridiculous if some day Sepultura announced they'd tour on a private plane christened Sepultura Uber Alles. It makes no sense got it ?
Unless...unless...Ed Force is a marketing ploy.
Arry Harris has agreed about Ed Force One to make "good politics" with the American market, leverage sales in there and reinforce the band's image in such a relevant market. Then 1 year later Maiden launches another tour DVD (Long Beach Arena II) edited by Arry Harris himself, what will cause epilepsy in half of the fans worldwide !
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Looks like someone has a late Y2K bug outbreak. InfiniteDreamer, two weeks ago we celebrated the start of a new year, but the date changed only by one digit: We are in 2008, not 1908. Hence, the discussion about "what is British", and, much more, "what is unbritish" is ridiculously out of date. This attitude led to two world wars, the destruction of two continents and the total enslavement of another one.
Sure, Maiden have a patriotic touch, but that doesn't mean they only ever show themselves as British, and British only. In fact, I think the tongue-in-cheek comparison of themselves to the world's most powerful man is very Maiden-esque. What the fuck does it matter that the plane referenced to isn't British? What's next, are you going to abandon Eddie because the soldier on the picture that inspired him was not British?
Gers' parents are from Poland.
Sure, Maiden have a patriotic touch, but that doesn't mean they only ever show themselves as British, and British only. In fact, I think the tongue-in-cheek comparison of themselves to the world's most powerful man is very Maiden-esque. What the fuck does it matter that the plane referenced to isn't British? What's next, are you going to abandon Eddie because the soldier on the picture that inspired him was not British?
Gers' parents are from Poland.
InfiniteDreamer
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Perun,
I don't know if you are a World War specialist (depending on your footnote may be) or not, but what's in discussion here is not what's British, who's won WWI or WWII, what kind of cigar Churchill smoked, but what Maiden is NOT.
I don't think the Ed Force One is something "Maidenesque". It's completely "Uninspirednesque", "Stupidnesque", "Moronnesque". Worse than having a name that reminds Mr President's superplane, is having a name sucked from Aerosmith's fan club. Instead of making fun of Air Force One it sounds much more like they are payin' tribute to it.
What Maiden is not ? American is one of the answers.
Just to add an extra comment here. I "abandoned" Eddie since Derek Riggs jumped out of the plane.
I don't know if you are a World War specialist (depending on your footnote may be) or not, but what's in discussion here is not what's British, who's won WWI or WWII, what kind of cigar Churchill smoked, but what Maiden is NOT.
I don't think the Ed Force One is something "Maidenesque". It's completely "Uninspirednesque", "Stupidnesque", "Moronnesque". Worse than having a name that reminds Mr President's superplane, is having a name sucked from Aerosmith's fan club. Instead of making fun of Air Force One it sounds much more like they are payin' tribute to it.
What Maiden is not ? American is one of the answers.
Just to add an extra comment here. I "abandoned" Eddie since Derek Riggs jumped out of the plane.
I wish to make note that I really like Tim Broadstreet's interpretation of Eddie on the most recent cover.
First of all, what's wrong with not being anti-American? Jesus Christ, two of Maiden's members live in the United States (Nicko and Dave). It's a universally recognized symbol and that's it.
If Bruce and Nicko and co. thought the name went against their "Britishness" or against their "culture", they would have vetoed it. I am sure Bruce would never sit behind the controls of an airplane he didn't like the name of, not when he has that creative control. Seems like they're more secure in their nationality than you are.
It's a plane. Nobody aside from Maidenheads like ourselves will ever know the name. It's not a big deal. It's not the most imaginative name, but it's still just a name.
First of all, what's wrong with not being anti-American? Jesus Christ, two of Maiden's members live in the United States (Nicko and Dave). It's a universally recognized symbol and that's it.
If Bruce and Nicko and co. thought the name went against their "Britishness" or against their "culture", they would have vetoed it. I am sure Bruce would never sit behind the controls of an airplane he didn't like the name of, not when he has that creative control. Seems like they're more secure in their nationality than you are.
It's a plane. Nobody aside from Maidenheads like ourselves will ever know the name. It's not a big deal. It's not the most imaginative name, but it's still just a name.
InfiniteDreamer
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LooseCannon,
yours are the most intelligent words in this post. "It's a plane. Nobody aside from Maidenheads like ourselves will ever know the name. It's not a big deal. It's not the most imaginative name, but it's still just a name."
It's just a name and all of us got nuts because of it.
Who's right ? I don't know. Those who like it or those who hate it. All I can say is that if this topic has become a discussion is because EVERYONE here still love Iron Maiden. If not we wouldn't spare a word about Ed Force One.
cheers
yours are the most intelligent words in this post. "It's a plane. Nobody aside from Maidenheads like ourselves will ever know the name. It's not a big deal. It's not the most imaginative name, but it's still just a name."
It's just a name and all of us got nuts because of it.
Who's right ? I don't know. Those who like it or those who hate it. All I can say is that if this topic has become a discussion is because EVERYONE here still love Iron Maiden. If not we wouldn't spare a word about Ed Force One.
cheers
Ardius
Trooper
Perun said:
Exactly my thoughts.
Patriotism is something they also point out as something that can be used for the wrong things in the song Como Estias Amigos.
Patriotism in England in specific is something that may see a resurgence because of the over the top politically correctness of the current government and media. Its very confusing too, because its always seemed to be a british thing to do, to go out of the way not to insult other cultures, but on the other hand, its starting to be seen as losing our identity because some of our values or traditions are too christian or too english-focused to be politically correct.
/end of non-related reflection
Seeing as youve decided to end the argument, ill just end with saying:
InfiniteDreamer, I think you are missing the points we (me, LooseCannon, Invader and Perun) are trying to make entirely. Please consider re-reading what we have posted.
InfiniteDreamer
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Never thought the "British" meaning was like that nowadays...I always thought it was cool being British...maybe I'm seeing it through the incorrect lenses...maybe I've watched too much Monty Phyton's Flying Circus when I was younger 
Love that British sarcasm and sense of humour !
cheers folks.
Love that British sarcasm and sense of humour !
cheers folks.
Ardius
Trooper
InfiniteDreamer said:Never thought the "British" meaning was like that nowadays...I always thought it was cool being British...maybe I'm seeing it through the incorrect lenses...maybe I've watched too much Monty Phyton's Flying Circus when I was younger
Love that British sarcasm and sense of humour !
cheers folks.
Well, yeah, we also have a tradition of people who "break" political correctness. Making fun of ourselves is always going to be hilarious.
As an englishman, yes, its cool to be English/British because American birds really love my voice for no reason at all, lol. However, there are features of "britishness" that are not always positive, at least not for british people or ironically and confusingly british tradition.
InfiniteDreamer
Trooper
Thanks for enlightening me with that Ardius.
Ardius
Trooper
Powergirl81 said:Oh yes, that British accent is oh-so-fine!I think I would fall over dead in England lol
I wonder why it isn't the other way around also?
Erm, well.......hmmm *thinks of some way to not insult* (oh, damn, thats being PC...lol)
American accents are something we make fun of in England, just leave it at that. Its similar to how you yanks all seem to make fun of our stereotype (which, personally, I find quite odd......). Unfortunately, the English/British idea of the American stereotype is proved time and time again........so we feel like we are really making fun of you, rather than some stereotype which isnt true.
Although, i seem to be finding that the english stereotype is changing, because some of you are catching onto some of the regional variations and FINALLY realising were not all either Queen's english speaking morons or down-trodden Oliver Twist-esque moaning idiots.
/rant, again
InfiniteDreamer
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The most fantastic accent from the island is from Scotland in my opinion !
As I studied in an American School here in Brazil I learned English the "non-Sean Connery way".
At least my accent is not like Dickey Betts's ..that "ass kickin" Southern Rock accent.
Accents are funny. Here in Brazil we make fun of the "original Portuguese accent" from Portugal and they do the same with the "transformed, adapted, slaughtered" Portuguese from here.
As I studied in an American School here in Brazil I learned English the "non-Sean Connery way".
At least my accent is not like Dickey Betts's ..that "ass kickin" Southern Rock accent.
Accents are funny. Here in Brazil we make fun of the "original Portuguese accent" from Portugal and they do the same with the "transformed, adapted, slaughtered" Portuguese from here.
