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I went to a pre listening session in Stockholm yesterday, with Labrie and Petrucci present. It was in a restaurant/pub in the outer Stockholm city with around 30 other people as well. There was a Q/A for about 10-15 minutes (I asked Petrucci if he's ever used a Kemper profiling amp, blah blah, and profiled what he calls his chocolate cake gutiar soun don the album. The reply was negative, and then he talked about how he likes to use images to describe sounds, when talking about drum sound etc), then a signing session where a photographer took pictures (Definitely going to hang mine on the wall when I get it), and after that we got to hear the album, on a fairly crappy 5.1 setup. Petrucci and Labrie, were quite sociable and entertaining, trading jokes with each other and the rest of us.

The upcoming album is kickass. Mind you, I'm in no position to give any detailed review, as the listening circumstances didn't offer any real opportunity to let the album sink in. Very cool riffwork by Petrucci, and, as I had already heard the single in my headphones, I agree that he achieved a chocolate cake guitar sound. The drumming is more present than the last album, as Mangini was involved in the songwriting. The intro piece, was written as a pre concert opener, as DT usually have used like a movie soundtrack, they wanted to write their own piece. Sounded very cool.

One song I particularly liked, starts with grand piano, acoustic steel guitar and vocals, which then explodes into a really heavy song, and as I recall, then comes back down toward the end again. The rest of the album, was kind of a blur. Not musically wise, but my recollection of them. I was just sitting there, grooving and listening and smiling and enjoying it. It was a very, very enjoyable album, but I can't really at this point remember that much or distinguish between most songs, as it was only one listening in a listening environment and situation that doesn't really let you get into the songs in depth. I'm preordering the album though. Overall impression is, that it's on par with Black Clouds, which is my favorite DT album along with Images and Words. I'm myself, rather fond of the modern Dream Theater, than earlier Dream Theater. I like Labrie's more matured, mid range-upper mid inclinded vocals, that he's been using for the last 10-7 years, than the ultra high singing he dabbled with earlier.

I was though, very impressed by the drumming. I'm no drummer and can't for the life of me say how it compares thechnically to Portnoy, but I like Mangini as much as, maybe more, than Portnoy.


Production wise (mostly assessed through listening to the single on proper headphones): It's excellent. Very modern sounding, rather dry, as I've grown to prefer rather than 80's- early 90's Metal albums that often were rather wet. It's very dynamically compressed though (you compress in a lot of stages, mind you. And by dynamically compressed, I mean the amplitude rather than data compression like with mp3 etc. I don't mean it as the songs are undynamic), as expected. It's both good and bad. The cymbal attack's a bit too effected for my taste, but it's one of the sacrifices you have to make. Wouldn't call them undefined like Mosh though, but I don't kow, that might just be semantics. The cymbals are, physically positioned into two main arrays, and I suppose that if you hit several cymbals that are close, it can sound a bit blurry, but not sure if that's what Mosh means.

But back on track, all the different compressors package it in very neatly. It's very tightly sounding which I like. I attribute a lot of this to the relatively large use of multiband compression (basically evens out the balance between low, mid and high frequencies so that no specific frequency band jumps out. It packages it together). The production is, overall, definitely an improvement over A Dramatic Turn Of Events, which compared to the self titled, is more midrange-ish, not as tight and a lot worse drum sound. It's the nuances that make or break it, and A Dramatic Turn Of Events lacked the little nuances. I'm very satisfied with the production.

Solo-wise: I recall Petrucci played a bunch of very cool solos, with clear melodic themes. Rudess played some cool stuff as well.

All in all, I loved this album and can't wait to quietly sit down and listen to it properly, by myself.
 

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Very cool, thanks for the summary. Much more excited for this than I was for ADTOE, and that's really saying something.
Wouldn't call them undefined like Mosh though, but I don't kow, that might just be semantics. The cymbals are, physically positioned into two main arrays, and I suppose that if you hit several cymbals that are close, it can sound a bit blurry, but not sure if that's what Mosh means
Yea that's exactly what I mean. But who knows, the CD (or 5.1 mix even) might sound different.

Here's another review from someone who went to the same session, pretty in depth for a first listen:
Disclaimer: I might be remembering the album all wrong, so don't rip me apart when you all hear it! These are just my memories and opinions.

Okay, here we go.

I'm going to assume that we are allowed to talk about our impressions since no one there asked us to keep it to ourselves. Not that I expect that anyone who attended will be able to share a lot of detailed information about the songs anyway, only bits and pieces. It would be easier to take mental notes if you were allowed to stream it once sitting at home, using your own stereo or headphones. Now you're basically bombarded with new sounds and impressions while sitting in a room where everyone is pretty much geeking out simultaneously.
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Anyways, John and James came in and talked to us. They told us they've been in Europe for the past 10 days or so, promoting the album (additional interviews should start surfacing soon I guess). They've hosted listening parties in London, Paris (IIRC) and now Stockholm. After a while they started taking questions from us. I didn't get to ask any of the two questions I was going to ask but the most important one was asked by someone else anyhow; "what happened to the Swedish gig that was first announced and then almost instantly removed". They both assured us that they are definitely coming to Stockholm. The rest of the questions were about stuff that we all already know here. You know, stuff like "why did you go for a self-titled album", "is it hard to stay motivated and creative after this many years of writing-recording-touring" and of course the obligatory question about John's chocolate cake. I didn't get to ask John if he had eaten any kiwis today.
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After that we went upstairs where we had our photos taken with the guys and we were allowed to bring one item to get signed. I asked John if Eren and the string section would be Along For The Ride, so to speak. He thought it was a cool idea and that it would be nice to do that for some special event or something. In other words, it seems they won't be traveling with the band, touring the world (which is honestly quite understandable given how long they'd be on the road). We finished with a group shot of everyone together and before we headed back inside they gave us our "I heard it first" laminates. (see my post close to the bottom of page 12 in this thread)

When we were all back in the room where the actual listening was going to take place John and James addressed us one last time, saying that they had to get going and that they hoped that we were going to enjoy the album. John told us that the room we were in was not exactly blessed with the most divine 5.1 sound in the world and that we should keep that in mind while listening. Yes, we got to listen to the 5.1 mix which was quite interesting.

Well then, enough with the fairy tails. Let's talk about the actual music. I'm afraid I won't be able to go into much detail. It was a lot to take in and I really should have memorized the track order before going there. Now it often took me several minutes before I figured out which song I was even listening to which made it even harder to properly "file" all the impressions in my head.

Okay, keep in mind that this text is probably not going to be very accurate at all. I usually need to listen to a new album several times before I can even start forming an opinion. So, remember to take this with a large grain of salt and don't read too much into this as I'm sure it's not very accurate at all.

NEEDLESS TO SAY; IN CASE YOU DON'T WANT TO READ ANY SPOILERS - STOP READING!

1. False Awakening Suite

This didn't really feel like a "song" to me, more like a really cool, cinematic intro featuring elements of progressive metal (which quite frankly was pretty much what I was expecting). I don't think that I'll be listening to this much as a stand-alone song but it's certainly going to be a cool opener live. There is no seamless transition into The Enemy Inside, the sound actually fades out before it starts but that doesn't mean it'll be that way live. noxon already stated this but the new material we got to see in the fourth "In the studio" clip is literally the first thing you hear on the album.

2. The Enemy Inside

Don't really need to say anything about this one, right? The only thing I will say is that it seems as if James' vocals are louder in the 5.1 mix. I immediately noticed a difference when we got to the first verse. Sure, it could be that the far from optimal 5.1 system we were listening to was unbalanced but the difference was definitely noticeable.

3. The Looking Glass

This was like taking a trip down memory lane. It definitely makes you think of their earlier material and I think that a lot of people will enjoy this song.

4. Enigma Machine

A cool and rather heavy instrumental. Mike does some pretty awesome things in this song, which by the way goes for all of the guys (except for poor James of course
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5. The Bigger Picture

James said that this is probably one of his favorite songs on the album and I can understand why. This song has a lot going on melodically and after this first listen I'm expecting it to be one of the fan favorites. There, I said it. I think that there was something about it that occasionally made me think of Voices. I can't really put my finger on what it was though. It could have been the song structure.

6. Behind The Veil

This starts out slow and dramatic but as it turns out it's not your usual ballad after all (none of the songs on the album are). James delivers yet another solid performance and both Rudess and Myung brought their A-games. I'm not sure what I would compare this song to though. One of the songs here (somewhere in the middle of the album) featured a keyboard sound that made me think of one of Jordan's solos in Blind Faith. It could have been this song but to be honest I don't remember. Sorry. :/

7. Surrender To Reason

Another promising song that I think that a lot of people will come to like. Right around here it was getting harder and harder to keep the songs and all the impressions they kept bombarding me with separated in my head. I can't really remember a lot of things that stood out in particular but I think that a lot of the song's atmosphere comes from Rudess' playing (and Petrucci using his acoustic guitar to stuff chocolate cake in our ears).

8. Along For The Ride

Another cool song. When I first read the title I thought it would be pretty funny if this was somehow related to The Count Of Tuscany. It's not, but the funny thing is that before the instruments came in there was this sound that made me think of TCOT's fading outro sound. Anyhow, the way I remember this song it's kind of alternating between pretty straightforward, melodic verses and sections with cool riffs. Jordan brings out the sound from his solo in Beneath The Surface. A lot is spinning around in my head right now and I don't know if there really is a difference or if the non-optimal sound system in the listening room was playing tricks on me but when I heard it I thought that "this is the Beneath The Surface sound mixed with some pan flute sound". I can't wait to hear it again so I can compare it to BTS and see if I'm actually right about that. I'm probably not though.
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9. Illumination Theory

The epic. There are a lot of cool riffs going on and I if I recall correctly parts of the second movement made me think of Bridges In The Sky. The majority of this song is actually instrumental and there's a break in the middle of the song, sort of like the one in The Count of Tuscany but less melodic (the way I remember it it's more or less only warping, morphing sounds with no real tone and I seem to also remember... wind chimes). After a little while the string section starts playing though and the arrangement is quite beautiful. I'm almost sure that I heard something that resembled Jordan's solo sound from Blind Faith in this song but I could of course be dead wrong about that. The final part of the song (after the break) is quite epic indeed but I won't spoil it by talking too much about it, especially not since this wall of text will probably turn out to be pretty inaccurate. You can't say that I didn't warn you about that though.
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I'm not going to talk about what I think of the album at the moment. What I can say though is that this album doesn't really sound like any of the other albums. It is different, but it's still "Dream Theater". If I had to try to describe my first impressions of the album by referring to other DT albums I would have to say that the songwriting on DT12 makes me think of some kind of cross-breed between Images And Words and Awake with a "modern DT twist"... or something like that.

This is definitely not a review of the album or anything even remotely similar to that. I'll probably listen to the album 10 to 20 times before I even start thinking of evaluating the content (or ranking it). I just wanted to share as much as possible since I know that a lot of you are thirsting for information just as much as I am (was?).
 
He's not much of a metal guy either; he hadn't even heard Number Of The Beast before Portnoy decided they were going to cover it.

Same with Master of Puppets.

@Yax

Thanks but you having the album on par with Black Clouds and saying it's one of your favorites got me thinking, I really think that album is average at best.
 
Well he also said that it's his favorite, so he probably means that in a positive way. I'd also say it's about average, though the best parts are really good.
 
That dude must've written down his impressions during the session. If not then I'm very, very impressed. Very detailed and under the circumstances rather cohesive. Thanks!

I didn't ask about the chocolate cake guitar sound in itself, damnit :D! I was more interested if he had used a Kemper profiling amp to, so to speak, copy it (so that I could fantasize about him sharing the preset. I've got a Kemper, so I was curious to hear if he had tried one. But he hasn't used one yet. Wish I had it before I did my album. The guitar sound would've been much more satisfying). Anyway, a guy did a match profiling of the Pull Me Under rhytm and lead sound, and they sound incredibly close, as close as you can get without profiling the actual rig, which obviously, was impossible at the time as the Kemper came out last year. Great piece of gear, Andy Sneap used it a bit on Testament's Dark Roots of the Earth and Accept's Stalingrad (and uses it live himself now). But John, obviously, as most people in the room weren't interested in guitar gear or production, focused on the chocolate cake phrase.
 
That dude must've written down his impressions during the session. If not then I'm very, very impressed. Very detailed and under the circumstances rather cohesive. Thanks!
Actually, he wrote it after eating dinner even! How he managed to remember all of that is beyond me.

I'm still not sure what John meant by the chocolate cake phrase. To me, most of what he's done since he started playing the Music Man guitars has sounded like that. Layered and full of rich texture. Even some of FII sounds like that. Maybe he means something else.
 
I've been listening to a lot of Dream Theater recently, and I must say they are a really good band. I've heard 6 albums all of which I like so far.
Here's how I would rank them,
1. Metropolis Pt 2
2. A Dramatic Turn of Events
3. Train of Thought
4. Black Clouds and Silver Linings
5. Images and Words
5. Systematic Chaos (tied with Images and Words)
So I'll change the subject here, What is Dream Theater's worst album?
 
You need to check out Awake and Six Degrees ASAP. They're tied for my number one spot. Both could easily be my all time favorite album, period.

Worst DT album is without a doubt Systematic Chaos. It's almost a chore to listen to.
 
I was planning to try Awake out tonight.

Whats wrong with Systematic Chaos?
In the Presence of Enemies, Ministry of Lost Souls and Constant Motion are awesome!
 
Lots of things. Dream Theater gets criticized for a lot of stuff, and most of the time I'll confidently argue against them, but with SC, almost every criticism of DT that you could think of is true. It's filled with songs that are long for no good reason, there are moments where I feel like technicality and wanking (a term I normally dislike) take priority over the actual songwriting. The songs just aren't very good, and it doesn't offer much as a complete experience. They also go a bit overboard on the "balls to the wall" metal sound. The song I like to point to is Ministry Of Lost Souls, which has a fairly nice start with some pretty melodies, some emotion can be felt, and it has the potential to be a good song. Then the instrumental section kicks in out of nowhere and ruins the entire song. It's out of place and it's boring. The song is 10 minutes too long.

There are some moments I like though; In The Presence Of Enemies is pretty good, Repentance is a nice Opeth ripoff with some great atmosphere, I can get into Dark Eternal Night if I'm in the mood, and Constant Motion has a good solo. Aside from that, the album is pretty bad.
 
While I can agree with some of that, there some things I can't agree on. (particularly the stuff about Ministry of Lost Souls) I think the album is great. There's just 3 songs I cant get into
Forsaken, Dark Eternal Night, and Repentance

Forsaken to me is just very boring. The chorus is kind of annoying.
The Dark Eternal Night suffers from horrid vocals the tone or whatever they used is just awful.
I feel like Repentance drags on way to long, and I'm not a big fan of spoken word.
and Prophets of War reminds me of In the Name of God,

Other than that the rest to me at least is really good.
 
I kind of feel the same way about Dream Theater as I do about Megadeth: they keep churning out albums, and I usually give them a spin or two, but I just can't find anything to care about. After Train of Thought, DT just lost my interest. Don't get me wrong, I don't think they've gone downhill or lost the ability to write good material, I've just moved on. They seem content to put out passable material as long it's well-produced and technically proficient.

I will say, 75% of my opinion about Dream Theater stems from being sick of hearing Labrie's voice.
 
Yea LaBrie is definitely the weak link he isn't too bad in studio though.
They seem content to put out passable material as long it's well-produced and technically proficient.
I think this is the biggest problem with their recent material, especially the last three albums. Often feels like the songs are just vehicles for some show offy sections. It sounds like they decided to change their approach with this new album though, so hopefully it won't have that problem.

I will say this, for a band 11 albums in, they've at least managed to stay relevant.
 
Yea LaBrie is definitely the weak link he isn't too bad in studio though.

He's quite good in the studio. There's just something about his voice that grates on my nerves after a couple songs. He's a talented vocalist, no question, but he's got "The Ripper Factor."

I think this is the biggest problem with their recent material, especially the last three albums. Often feels like the songs are just vehicles for some show offy sections. It sounds like they decided to change their approach with this new album though, so hopefully it won't have that problem.

I will say this, for a band 11 albums in, they've at least managed to stay relevant.

That is true, and their contribution to their genre (and many others) cannot be denied. I am excited to hear the new album, as I'm sure the songwriting will be different with the departure of Portnoy. This is the first full album written since he left, right?
 
I can definitely see why people get annoyed by his voice, I didn't like his voice either at first. I've just gotten used to it I suppose.


ADTOE was written after MP left; he had no input in that. But this new one is the first with input from Mangini.
 
Worst album probably is When Dream and Day Unite for me but it doesn't really count anyway. From the albums done with LaBrie my least favorite is Systematic Chaos as well. I agree with everything Mosh said regarding that album. I also consider Octavarium (apart from title song) and Black Clouds & Silver Linings weak albums. Octavarium doesn't sound genuine, most songs feel like rip offs from other bands, especially you can hear Muse in just about every song. BC&SL just doesn't grab me. Songs are unnecessarily long.

My favorite DT album is Images and Words, followed by Scenes from a Memory, Awake and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
 
I forgot that WDADU existed. Even still, I prefer it to SC. The debut at least sounds more inspired and has some cool stuff, even though the singing and production sucks. Usually when they play that stuff live it sounds good.

I have the same 4 albums but in a different order

1: Six Degrees
2: Awake
3: Scenes
4: Images

Awake and Six Degrees tend to switch depending on my mood.
 
Was never a big fan of this band. Only albums I have are Six Degrees through Black Clouds & Silver Linings. Those are the most "metal" albums to me, and I'm fine with it. Haven't listened to any of the new material, besides that one new song that I can't remember the name of.

I really hate James LaBrie's voice and only on those albums are they bearable. Lyrics don't usually bother me but they're hella cheesy with Dream Theater.
The one that sticks out to me is from The Count of Tuscany: “Let me introduce my brother.”/A bearded gentleman, historian/Sucking on his pipe;/Distinguished accent
Just the whole... subject, way that line is sung, irks me so much.
 
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