DREAM THEATER SURVIVOR 2016: Results -> A Change Of Seasons wins!

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Dying & Sacrifice - voting tactically (the other three songs are FAR better)
Angels & Bridges - also voting tactically (see above)

Don't those both sound like DT album titles?

I could only bring myself to vote for the instrumentals from DT12 because I think they're the weakest stuff on it and I can't bring myself to dislike any of the others. The album is kinda special to me, even if it's not perfect.

Also, I still think Beneath the Surface is the best ballad they've ever done.
 
Only voting for False Awakening, Enigma, Bigger Picture, and Surrender. All of you people voting for Beneath the Surface should be shamed. It's a beautiful piece of music.

My thoughts on DT12:

False Awakening Suite - A harmless bit of intense drama. Sounds more like Symphony X than Dream Theater, doesn’t really fit this album at all. Is not actually a suite. 7/10

The Enemy Inside - Mangini fucking slays this song. I adore the subtle keys and the consistently great rhythms throughout the song. That post chorus keyboard part that later becomes a unison is one of my favorite DT moments. It's ludicrously catchy. Lyrics are rather refined and emotional without being overbearing, as JP can sometimes be. Love the bridge, despite JP's wah-wah chords. A perfect opener with a really good chorus. 10/10

The Looking Glass
- Limelight, pt. 2 and I don't care! I love it. It's catchy as living hell with one of the most dynamic, beautiful choruses the band has ever written. Mangini's cymbal work in the second verse is stellar. So much power in this song. The vocal echo in the chorus was a great choice. I really like JP’s solo (he manages to sweep-pick and shred without it sounding ridiculous within the context of the song) and more importantly the bass groove behind it. 10/10

Enigma Machine - Killer riffs, killer grooves, weird and funky passages…it’s a cool tune. That cool little instrument swap of the main theme at 4:20ish is delightful. It isn't my favorite DT instrumental, but it's the one I'd like to see them play live the most. When I did see them play it, it was incredibly fun. Just like False Awakening was written as a show opener, this sounds like it was written specifically so the guys could have fun onstage. This is the "fun jam band" song equivalent for musicians at the absolute top of their game. Unfortunately, it's placed poorly on the album. 8/10

The Bigger Picture - The intro is beautiful, the outro is beautiful, but the stuff in the middle just doesn’t do much for me. The gulf between the verse and the chorus feels really empty. It’s all very pretty, just not particularly engaging. JP’s solo is quite beautiful, though the vocal bridge after it is rather plodding. I really love JLB (and JR’s simple piano) in the last two minutes, but the rest just doesn't do much for me. The climax is actually a bit of a letdown after such a great buildup. Also, so much Christianity. I feel like I’m listening to Jesus Radio. 7/10

Behind the Veil - Another really powerful, if slightly safe song. JR's ambient intro works really well, the pre-chorus and chorus are great, I dig the Rush bridge, and the end of JP's solo is very interesting because of that bluesy riff variation that kicks in before the final chorus. I don’t care much for the meat of the solo itself. His random sweep in the last chorus is also a very neat little nugget. JLB’s vocal work here dips into so many different sounds, from creepy and twisted to giant, sweeping and epic. Quite an enjoyable song. 9/10

Surrender to Reason - Myung’s bass after the acoustic section and before the bridge is so cool. JPs mini-solo after the first chorus is so pretty. Jordan's choir section may be my favorite moment on the album. I feel like this song would be one of my all-time favorites if it were a little longer, allowing each section to develop more. I also think the chorus could be stronger. The vocal melodies and Myung’s lyrics just aren’t my favorite here, they sound a little forced and flat. 8/10

Along for the Ride - Man this song clicked with me. The emotional build throughout is phenomenal. Once the band kicks in its so powerful and that bridge…damn, that bridge! There's a vocal polyrhythm! JLB is playing a polyrhythm with his voice and it's amazing! The classical guitar before the bridge is so cool, especially with the strings playing behind it. Then the double time at the end...wow. JR brings back the monkeys in space! No full guitar solo. I never thought I'd see this as a 10/10 song, much less one of DT's best ballads. But it's truly great. 10/10

Illumination Theory - The intro is nice, but it's all about that riff! What a beast. "The bridges we build to connect" part is positively ferocious. Overall, the lyrics are a little too simple, preachy (like STR) and pompously profound for my tastes. Oh hai classical guitar solo! The 2 minutes of ambient noise though...I really, truly hate. Even the beautiful, beyond beautiful, classical section doesn't fit. They chop the song in half for no reason, stopping on a cool jam to go right back to a cool jam kicked off a bass thwap. It's just so uneven. Once the band kicks in, the song is awesome again, especially the "mothers for their children" part. However, it just doesn't feel all that connected. Once again, Myung's bass is on point on this album. FINALLY, the riff comes back and all is well. The final vocal melody becomes grating after awhile, I think mostly because of the lyrics. I want this song to be perfect, but despite the many absolutely astonishing sections, it's not. 9/10


I had an odd thought while listening to this album: it’s kind of Falling Into Infinity, Pt. 2. Or rather, it feels like what the band could have done with Falling Into Infinity without label notes and management input. I really enjoy everything here, even though it's not all perfect. I'm shocked to see that this album sunk a bit in my ratings while ADTOE rose to be .1 higher.
 
I want to like your post but I can't in good conscious with you bashing The Bigger Picture. :jedi:

False Awakening Suite is a suite, there are three distinct parts to it with pauses in between.

Looking forward to listening to the album today hopefully.
 
I had The Bigger Picture ranked as a 9/10 song prior to this relisten, but it just doesn't hold the magic it once did.

As for FA...I'm mistaking "Suite" for "Overture", my bad. I still think it has no place on this album. Symphony X's most recent album, maybe.
 
I'll say for sure when I listen to the album, but I think TBP might be my new favorite on the album.

It's true that FAS is a bit out of place. If Portnoy was in the band still those themes would've found their way on other songs, which I would've preferred.
 
Listening to this on vinyl for the first time. It's quieter. The production on the album in general is far better than the followup. It's still a bit muddy but you can at least hear most instruments clearly. This album was actually perfectly tracked for vinyl. Behind the Veil is the perfect opener for disc 2 and the other side openers and closers work really well. The album has a really good flow to it, unlike BC&SL which seems haphazardly stitched together.

False Awakening Suite - Awesome way to start the album. It does seem a bit tacked on but I still think it's great. It at least sets the tone for the album, as the rest of the songs are similarly dark, heavy, and cinematic.

The Enemy Inside - This song is a bit bland but does a great job at giving this album an energetic start. I love the machine gun riff and the double time second verse but I think this is probably the most generic thing on the album. Still lightyears better than the generic stuff on the last few albums (BMUBMD, AROP, Forsaken). JP delivers an excellent solo. This song was also really great live. It really heightened my appreciation for the song, which I didn't care for at all prior to hearing it live. Gave me goosebumps.

Good song, but I will probably be voting for it.

The Looking Glass - This song is interesting because the intro is clearly ripping off Limelight, but the rest of the song reminds me more of Power Windows. The artwork is also obviously an homage to that album. Great song that really hearkens back to the more melodic proggy Dream Theater of the 90s. This song is proof that you can have something proggy and engaging but under 5 minutes.

Just heard autotune on JLB.

The instrumental is awesome. It was so refreshing to hear a guitar solo without an army of guitar overdubs underneath. JM finally gets that sonic space back. The guitar solo itself is also fantastic.

Awesome song.

Enigma Machine - I was initially disappointed with this one. When I heard they were doing another instrumental I was hoping it would be filled with awesome riffs like SoC or maybe something really technically exciting like TDOE, what we got was closer to Ytse Jam which I'm meh about. This has grown on me since then. It's a very fun riff and the bridge before the solo section is insane. I love how it starts out pretty fast and then the melody tempo doubles. That blew my mind the first time I heard it.

The call and response between the guitar and the organ is very cool.

This song also shows that JR has come a long way with his iPod stuff. His iPod solo here sounds much more natural and less jarring than the bebot solo on AROP. Love all the keyboard and guitar solos here.

Rush reference #2 with the very YYZ-esque half time interlude. Love each instrument taking a stab at the melody afterwards.

Mangini UNLEASHED. Awesome drum solo. Out of the three albums I think his best performance is on this one. It feels like he was actually part of the creative process this time.

Fun tune, I might vote for it depending on what I think of the rest. It was indeed awesome live.

The Bigger Picture - Incredible song. Like The Looking Glass, it's DT finally being more subtle and doing something progressive that isn't a 13 minute epic with a huge instrumental section. I love the way this song builds up, getting progressively heavier and more intense. Great dynamics. It also rarely repeats itself. The only part that comes back at all is the "shed your light" bit which only happens once and builds into something else the second time. Every verse is different. JLB's singing is also fantastic. JP's guitar solo is melodic and awesome. Really reminsicent of the guitar work on Funeral For a Friend by Elton John IMO. The twin harmonies are more Queen than Maiden.

The lyrics definitely have religious overtones but I think they're actually pretty subtle in that regard. JP has always done lyrics heavily influenced from lyrics, I think it's actually one of his strong points.

The outro is incredible. Best moment on the album. For me, this is the most exciting song DT has done since Octavarium.

My one complaint about the DT12 tour was that they didn't play this. When I first heard the album I thought this song would be the most exciting live. Make it happen DT!

Behind the Veil - The ambient opening is really cool, very similar to the stuff on SDOIT. Great opening riff. I enjoy this song but it's a bit bland. I suppose this is DT's equivalent of a generic rocker. The chorus is meh. JLB gives a killer performance though and I love the bass driven second verse. The keyboard/guitar bridge is really awesome. Petrucci delivers another top notch solo.

The riffing after the solo is colossal.

OK I take it back, other than the bland chorus this song is pretty awesome.

I think this would actually make a really good show opener.

Surrender to Reason - Rush reference #3! The main riff to this song is straight out of Permanent Waves. I think this album probably is the most blatantly Rush inspired. The first verse actually reminds me more of Zebra, of all things.

100% agree with Knick. I think this song is a bit of a missed opportunity. The more concise approach to this album is great and really services most of the songs, but sometimes you gotta write an epic. I think the album would've benefitted from a song in the 10-15 minute range and Surrender the Reason should've been that song. It has the classic Myung lyrics, lots of really great ideas, lots of changing sections, but it just kinda abruptly ends*.

BTW the little riff before the "life gives you brighter days" is totally ripped off from Ozzy's Diary Of a Madman and I can't believe nobody has said so yet.

The solo section is really cool, once again very Rush inspired. It's Petrucci meets Lifeson in the same way that Spirit Carries On was Petrucci meets Gilmour.

The chorus is really uplifting and I love how it goes into the Restless Angels bit at the end.

You can also hear Myung throughout the whole song! :edmetal:

Overall, this is a cool song but shows potential for being much better than it actually was. With the proper attention it could've succeeded at being LTL 2 where BAI fell short of that.

*Several songs on the album actually have this issue. It gets a ton of things right, but a lot of the songs have really awkward endings. The Looking Glass is another one with this problem

Along For the Ride - This is another song that I disliked initially but enjoyed a bit more after seeing it live. It's another one that was really written for a live audience. The intro is really pleasant and atmospheric. Usually I check out when a DT ballad gets heavy, but it works decently here. Another meh chorus though. I really dig Petrucci's solo, JR's solo sounds like a bunch of recycled licks from Beneath the Surface but actually works well within the song.

It's an OK ballad but still among the album's less interesting tunes.


Illumination Theory - The beginning of this song is immense. You know right off the bat that you're in for something epic. The main riff slays. If you don't get the urge to headbang listening to this, your neck might be broken. I also love Mangini's beat underneath. It's simple but does the job. Love all of JR's crazy keyboard parts during the intro. After a relatively subdued performance on the rest of the album, he really lets loose on this one.

Love the Mangini drum solo before the verse riff kicks in. Still gives me chills. JLB's vocal performance is intense. The chorus is awesome, love how it's 7/8 the first time and 4/4 the second time. Gives it a sense of resolution. More tasty piano work from JR in between verses. The second verse is a bit djenty but way more interesting than anything the actual djent bands have ever done.

The classical instrumental bridge is really cool and different for DT. There's a lot of counterpoint there, DT has never really experimented with that before. It's always been unisons or harmonies. Of course we do get an actual unison after which is top notch.

Love the ambient section. It's atmospheric and unexpected. It's a bit disjointed but I like that it takes you by surprise. The orchestral section is beautiful. Love the way the band comes back in. JLB's singing during this part is intense. Love the way it builds up with the drums getting increasingly heavy.

The second instrumental bit is awesome. Love the way it builds into that crazy double time riff going into the epic melody. That part always gives me goosebumps. The unison building into the reprise of the main riff is also awesome. One of the most intense JR solos. JP out-Kirk's Kirk in his guitar solo. One of my favorite DT instrumental sections. It's short but it really works perfectly as a transition between the two parts.

The finale is fantastic. It almost dethrones Octavarium. Almost. Satisfying conclusion to the song. Love JP's backing vocals during that part too. Wish he'd sing them live. The guitar solo at the end is thrilling.

I think I still prefer this to TBP, but it's close. One of the best DT sidelong epics.

The "easter egg" is neat, nice calm down after the epic.

Overall, I expected to come out of this album liking it less but turns out I still love it. Some of the songs are a bit bland at times but still not without great moments. First DT album with no bad songs since Train of Thought, and also the best album overall since then. Probably a good example of the whole being stronger than the individual parts.

It's missing that sense of unity that Portnoy era albums had, but I think we're just going to have to get used to that. Even the weaker songs are still really enjoyable and not weak at all. Still better than ADTOE for sure.

Illumination Theory
The Bigger Picture
The Looking Glass

False Awakening Suite
Behind the Veil
Enigma Machine

Surrender to Reason
The Enemy Inside
Along For the Ride
 
It has the classic Myung lyrics, lots of really great ideas, lots of changing sections, but it just kinda abruptly ends. Several songs on the album actually have this issue. It gets a ton of things right, but a lot of the songs have really awkward endings. The Looking Glass is another one with this problem

I completely agree. They feel rushed (no pun intended), like the band was just too lazy to write a proper ending. Looking Glass particularly suffers from this; at least STR reprises the intro theme.

The second verse is a bit djenty but way more interesting than anything the actual djent bands have ever done.

It's a classic Symphony X polymeter, which is something DT rarely does. I love it.
 
Collin's quick thoughts on DT12:

False Awakening Suite is cool, it's a proggy Ides of March. Definitely would be cool to hear on the PA before a show. But still had to vote for it, it stands no chance compared to the rest. 9/10

The Enemy Inside is also awesome, Petrucci's last solo is one of his best ever. He does so many good things on this whole album. This song is just an instant classic. 10/10

The Looking Glass. What a ripoff. A lot of people seem to like the obvious ode to Rush, but I think it's just DT trying to imitate rather than be themselves. Not to mention there's nothing catchy about this song either, nothing that really sticks in my mind. So far I'm the only one who's voted for it and that needs to change. 5/10

Enigma Machine is a mess. That's pretty much all, JP is the only bright spot here. 4/10

The Bigger Picture is DT at their best. Every part of this song just simply works. The end of the song is what really pushes it over the top. Simply perfection. 10/10

DT hits another home run with Behind the Veil. The keyboard intro is another thing of beauty. I cannot find anything wrong with the song so I'm giving it another 10/10.

Surrender to Reason used to be my favorite, but it's fallen a bit. I love that part that djents with the choirs. 2:32 might as well be the best part on the entire album. One of the most epic things I've ever heard... 10/10

After a very nice string of songs, DT screws it up bad here. I think this would have been awesome if it was only acoustic, and Jordan brings back that stupid keyboard sound. Space Monkeys.... 3/10

Illumination Theory. We need more 20 minute songs from them. The instrumental intro is just so catchy. The verses are another highlight, more great lyrics! I'm not the biggest fan of the quiet middle, but it does work well with the rest of the song. For the most part though, I skip it. But I really like how it jumps back into the song, it was definitely really cool! The instrumental after the verses is good. However at 12:55 we get the most wankery thing they've ever done, but it's followed by one of JP's best solos in his entire career. The rest of the song is just classic DT and is very reminiscent of SDOIT and ITPOE. Despite the two mishaps I still give it a 10/10. The rest of the song easily over shadows the two mistakes.

Overall: 7.8
The album mixes some of DT's moments with some of their worst. Inconsistent AF.
 
I've been slacking off a bit with this Survivor; ear ringing has gone from tolerable to intolerable to tolerable a couple of times since it started and I avoid listening to loud music or using headphones so that it doesn't get worse. Although I dunno if it matters since doctors don't know what's causing it in the first place, but better not risk it. But I've been listening to DT12 on low volume this morning and will try to listen to it a few more times before voting. So expect an update tomorrow or so :)
 
Hope your ear ringing clears up soon, NP! Don't worry, you'll have 2 hrs and 10 minutes of easy listening with The Astonishing coming up next. :D
 
I've said enough about This Dying Soul and Honor Thy Father. Outcry has grown on me, but other 3 ADTOE songs I'm not voting for are much better. Breaking All Illusions is still overrated.

False Awakening Suite is just a forgettable instrumental.
I like The Enemy Inside more than when I first heard it but I don't like the style of it at all. Too heavy for DT and no epicness that ADTOE had in abundance. Still, one of the better songs from this album.
The Looking Glass's main riff is too Rush-y and happy and doesn't fit them at all. LaBrie sounds bored.
Enigma Machine is actually a quite catchy simple (for DT) instrumental. I didn't like it at first, but it grows on you.
The Bigger Picture is the best song on the album. Still not particularly great though.
Behind The Veil and Surrender To Reason are also forgettable apart from the choruses. Similar in that regard as The Looking Glass.
Along For The Ride is an OK ballad. At least a bit more memorable than most songs on this album.
Illumination Theory is overlong and forgettable.

Overall, I still don't like this album. It's just them going through the motions if you ask me, and a big step down from ADTOE in terms of style. Definitely their catchiest album though.
 
I'm starting to agree that BAI is overrated. I had fond memories of seeing it live a few years ago but listening to it more recently I've started to like it a lot less. Outcry and Bridges In the Sky are far superior epics.
 
JP's solo is the definite highlight of BAI. That solo in question makes it my favorite on the album.. maybe... BITS is also insanely good.
 
BAI has the solo but everything around it is underwhelming. It's also way more similar to LTL than I remembered, at least everything up to the guitar solo.
 
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Eliminated:
Enigma Machine - 10 votes
False Awakening Suite - 9 votes
Beneath The Surface - 7 votes
Surrender To Reason - 7 votes
Along For The Ride - 7 votes
 
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