Bruce Dickinson

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Hendrike said:
I agree with your opinion. That’s part of what I meant in my post from March 26.
Bruce should have issued a statement thanking Roy for the collaboration and highlighting his contribution. Most bands usually write something like that and then about different plans for the future - even if there was a huge falling-out behind the scenes.
That’s why it’s strange that Bruce never got around to doing that.
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Who runs Bruce’s social media?
 
I don't think anybody is trashing him. I like him, a lot, but he isn't this monster behind the desk of mythological prowess that some throughout the years have thought, and he often on here is wrongly credited for mixing and producing stuff he either isn't filling that function in at all, or it is a co-producing/mixing situation. He isn't that great at mixing tbh. His Spirits of Fire mix is... Mediocre at best. IIRC he also mixed Halford's Saitama Center, and that isn't great either. I need to locate my DVD because I can't find any credits online.
 
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srfc said:
I don't disagree with any of that, but the point I was trying to make, is that none of that is essentially Roy Z magic, it's classic metal magic from the past and modern metal magic from the (then) present, and none of it makes any sort of impression on the wider public in the nu metal period if you didn't have big names like Bruce and Halford involved. I don't think it's enough to give him a platform to make teenage style comments about "Prickinson" on the internet as if they are peers in the metal world. Roy is a hired gun, that doesn't get hired too much these days, at best. In the period you mention he was basically set up to be what Andy Sneap became, but for whatever reason that didn't happen, maybe these late night internet posts shine some light on why that didn't happen.

Either that or green-lighting both Loch Ness and Sonata!
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Yes totally agree, especially that he could have been an Andy Sneap like figure but it clearly didn’t happen.

Agree with your other point, which is Roy Z had a great run - but that was some time ago, and maybe the universe lined up perfectly for him in the late 90s early 00s when Lady Luck was on his side.
 
Helmuth Von Moltke said:
Yes totally agree, especially that he could have been an Andy Sneap like figure but it clearly didn’t happen.

Agree with your other point, which is Roy Z had a great run - but that was some time ago, and maybe the universe lined up perfectly for him in the late 90s early 00s when Lady Luck was on his side.
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I really disagree. I don't believe he had a good chance at being a Sneap-like figure. Look at the albums with Z as the primary mixer. They are very few. He did not mix CW, AoB or Resurrection, though he did co-mix AoR with the same guy as he co-mixed ToS with; who did what and how much is unclear. That guy has worked on loads of records though since way back, so I take it he wasn't Z's junior. Both ToS and AoR sound good, very good even in the case of AoR, but not great and sound a bit dated even in 2005 - compare that with Sneap's work with Testament in 2008. He co-mixed Crucible (which sound was messy and underwhelming, but thankfully was remixed in 2010. He is much more of a producer than mixer - he had way more producer credits and co-credits than mixing credits, whereas Sneap is primarily a mixer and producer secondly. In an alternate universe where Z was better at mixing maybe he could have been a Sneap, but it is fairly obvious his primary competence lays in other aspects of the producer spectra. Halford has referenced him at being great to work with while recording vocals, in coaching him and finding the right Halford voice for different sections and songs.

This notion of his skill inside the studio is what I mean with the mythological thing surrounding him in Maiden circles that isn't entirely fair and accurate. He worked on many great albums, but generally as a part of a team effort, not necessarily primarily responsible for how the record ultimately sound. That is not how things have generally been with Sneap, at least since his career took off 25 years ago.
 
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Yax said:
I really disagree. I don't believe he had a good chance at being a Sneap-like figure. Look at the albums with Z as the primary mixer. They are very few. He did not mix CW, AoB or Resurrection, though he did co-mix AoR with the same guy as he co-mixed ToS with; who did what and how much is unclear. That guy has worked on loads of records though since way back, so I take it he wasn't Z's junior. Both ToS and AoR sound good, very good even in the case of AoR, but not great and sound a bit dated even in 2005 - compare that with Sneap's work with Testament in 2008. He co-mixed Crucible (which sound was messy and underwhelming, but thankfully was remixed in 2010. He is much more of a producer than mixer - he had way more producer credits and co-credits than mixing credits, whereas Sneap is primarily a mixer and producer secondly. In an alternate universe where Z was better at mixing maybe he could have been a Sneap, but it is fairly obvious his primary competence lays in other aspects of the producer spectra. Halford has referenced him at being great to work with while recording vocals, in coaching him and finding the right Halford voice for different sections and songs.

This notion of his skill inside the studio is what I mean with the mythological thing surrounding him in Maiden circles that isn't entirely fair and accurate. He worked on many great albums, but generally as a part of a team effort, not necessarily primarily responsible for how the record ultimately sound. That is not how things have generally been with Sneap, at least since his career took off 25 years ago.
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Whilst Andy Sneap might be a good producer, I cannot help but feel that most albums he has produced sound the same. He makes me appreciate the brilliance of Martin Birch even more!
 
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