BREXIT: You Decide!

[JudasMyGuide]

Honestly, the whole Brexit shenanigans only proves that direct democracy and referenda are a really bad idea in general.

Also, I'm really curious about how this will end.

 

[GhostofCain]

At the end of the day, like GoC says, it was a vote, and trying to put the brakes on that just because the losing side believes it knows best, isn't democratic.
Populist, reactionary, anti-establishment, anti-everything sentiment, wrapped up in a big disenfranchised bundle of discontent, has been bubbling under for a long time, and this one issue of EU membership became the sharp focus for that, as a rare chance for voters to directly affect policy.

People also seem to forget that the people who voted for Brexit came from all sides of the political spectrum: left, centre-left, centre, centre-right, right...

 

[Forostar]

At the end of the day, like GoC says, it was a vote, and trying to put the brakes on that just because the losing side* believes it knows best, isn't democratic.

It is not undemocratic to reconsider wrong, misled decisions.

*do not ignore the fact that people on the "winning" side have changed their minds as well.

Populist, reactionary, anti-establishment, anti-everything sentiment, wrapped up in a big disenfranchised bundle of discontent, has been bubbling under for a long time, and this one issue of EU membership became the sharp focus for that, as a rare chance for voters to directly affect policy.

Great! Looking forward to have these sentiments leading your nation (not). Everything better than a 2nd referendum, isn't it?

 

[LooseCannon]

Honestly, the whole Brexit shenanigans only proves that direct democracy and referenda are a really bad idea in general.

Yes, they are.

 

[Black Wizard]

This is it then. Big day today.

 

[THESEVENTHMARINER]

This is the end, beautiful friend. This is the end.

 

[Black Wizard]

These are the options:

The deal won't be passed by Parliament. The EU won't renegotiate. Jezza will certainly call for a vote of no confidence in the government, but I don't think the Hard Brexit Tories will vote against the government and the DUP might not either. I wonder what Theresa has up her sleeve.

 

[Dr. Eddies Wingman]

Won't a new general election in practice mean a no deal Brexit anyway? Surely there's no way an election can be held, a new government established and a new Brexit deal presented to Parliament before March 29th?

 

[THESEVENTHMARINER]

Even if Corbyn does table a motion of NC, it certainly won't get passed. No Tory will actually vote for the downfall of the government, and the DUP have stated they won't vote for it. I think Nigel Dodds said that they don't want to see a collapse of the government, but rather the deal voted down.

If every single Labour MP voted in favour of a NC motion, along with the SNP, and the Lib Dems. It still doesn't give them a majority, unless there are some rebel Tory MPs.

Won't a new general election in practice mean a no deal Brexit anyway? Surely there's no way an election can be held, a new government established and a new Brexit deal presented to Parliament before March 29th?

There is talks of Article 50 being extended, I know the EU are planning for it to be extended until July at the earliest. So one can assume if there is a new government, they can negotiate a new deal. But what difference will 4 months make, honestly?

 

[Black Wizard]

Won't a new general election in practice mean a no deal Brexit anyway? Surely there's no way an election can be held, a new government established and a new Brexit deal presented to Parliament before March 29th?

It's possible to delay Brexit if all the other EU members agree as part of article 50. I don't know how long for though.

 

[LooseCannon]

The only real way that a general election changes Brexit is if the parties take diametrically opposed stances on whether or not Brexit should be allowed to occur. In that situation, it would act as a second referendum by default.

Similarly, if it ends up as Hard Brexit vs. Negotiated Brexit, the election would serve as a de facto referendum on that.

 

[phantomoftheicarus]

The Brexit deal has been voted down by the Commons. 432 no to 202 yes, the biggest defeat in UK government history

 

[Forostar]

Tomorrow another interesting day. May did not resign, there is no plan B.

How can so many MP's change their opinions?

 

[Forostar]

I do not think a much better deal CAN be negotiated. So:

Brexit is not possible. Not with a deal at least. Without a deal is even more unbelievable.

 

[Black Wizard]

Huge defeat for the government. The opposition leaders have tabled a motion of no confidence in the government which will be debated and voted on tomorrow. I doubt the government will lose as none of the Conservative MPs will vote for no confidence.

 

[Magnus]

May did not resign,

but there's always

!

 

[Black Wizard]

I haven't heard anything from Nigel Farage yet.

 

[Forostar]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2227124413972839

 

[Brigantium]

How can so many MP's change their opinions?

I'm not sure they did. Some oppose Theresa May. Some oppose the Conservatives. Some don't like the specifics of her deal. Some don't want any kind of deal.

 

[Forostar]

How will they change their opinions, I meant. How can they still do that. How would that be possible?