BREXIT: You Decide!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by CriedWhenBrucieLeft, Jun 22, 2016.

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How should Cried vote on Thursday?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Leave

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Remain

    9 vote(s)
    69.2%
  3. Spoil Ballot

    1 vote(s)
    7.7%
  4. Don't bother voting

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. FREEDOM!!!

    3 vote(s)
    23.1%
  1. JudasMyGuide

    JudasMyGuide ...quite like the Jack of Hearts...

    Honestly, the whole Brexit shenanigans only proves that direct democracy and referenda are a really bad idea in general.

    Also, I'm really curious about how this will end.
     
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  2. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    People also seem to forget that the people who voted for Brexit came from all sides of the political spectrum: left, centre-left, centre, centre-right, right...
     
  3. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    It is not undemocratic to reconsider wrong, misled decisions.

    *do not ignore the fact that people on the "winning" side have changed their minds as well.
    Great! Looking forward to have these sentiments leading your nation (not). Everything better than a 2nd referendum, isn't it?
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2019
  4. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    Yes, they are.
     
  5. Black Wizard

    Black Wizard Cereal Litigator

    This is it then. Big day today.
     
  6. THESEVENTHMARINER

    THESEVENTHMARINER Ancient Mariner

    This is the end, beautiful friend. This is the end.
     
  7. Black Wizard

    Black Wizard Cereal Litigator

    These are the options:

    [​IMG]

    The deal won't be passed by Parliament. The EU won't renegotiate. Jezza will certainly call for a vote of no confidence in the government, but I don't think the Hard Brexit Tories will vote against the government and the DUP might not either. I wonder what Theresa has up her sleeve.
     
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  8. Dr. Eddies Wingman

    Dr. Eddies Wingman Brighter than thousand_suns

    Won't a new general election in practice mean a no deal Brexit anyway? Surely there's no way an election can be held, a new government established and a new Brexit deal presented to Parliament before March 29th?
     
  9. THESEVENTHMARINER

    THESEVENTHMARINER Ancient Mariner

    Even if Corbyn does table a motion of NC, it certainly won't get passed. No Tory will actually vote for the downfall of the government, and the DUP have stated they won't vote for it. I think Nigel Dodds said that they don't want to see a collapse of the government, but rather the deal voted down.

    If every single Labour MP voted in favour of a NC motion, along with the SNP, and the Lib Dems. It still doesn't give them a majority, unless there are some rebel Tory MPs.

    There is talks of Article 50 being extended, I know the EU are planning for it to be extended until July at the earliest. So one can assume if there is a new government, they can negotiate a new deal. But what difference will 4 months make, honestly?
     
  10. Black Wizard

    Black Wizard Cereal Litigator

    It's possible to delay Brexit if all the other EU members agree as part of article 50. I don't know how long for though.
     
  11. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    The only real way that a general election changes Brexit is if the parties take diametrically opposed stances on whether or not Brexit should be allowed to occur. In that situation, it would act as a second referendum by default.

    Similarly, if it ends up as Hard Brexit vs. Negotiated Brexit, the election would serve as a de facto referendum on that.
     
  12. phantomoftheicarus

    phantomoftheicarus Nobody can ever hear him call

    The Brexit deal has been voted down by the Commons. 432 no to 202 yes, the biggest defeat in UK government history
     
  13. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Tomorrow another interesting day. May did not resign, there is no plan B.

    How can so many MP's change their opinions?
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2019
  14. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    I do not think a much better deal CAN be negotiated. So:

    Brexit is not possible. Not with a deal at least. Without a deal is even more unbelievable.
     
  15. Black Wizard

    Black Wizard Cereal Litigator

    Huge defeat for the government. The opposition leaders have tabled a motion of no confidence in the government which will be debated and voted on tomorrow. I doubt the government will lose as none of the Conservative MPs will vote for no confidence.
     
  16. Magnus

    Magnus Ancient Mariner

    but there's always
    [​IMG]!
     
  17. Black Wizard

    Black Wizard Cereal Litigator

    I haven't heard anything from Nigel Farage yet.
     
  18. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

  19. Brigantium

    Brigantium Grim Reaper Staff Member

    I'm not sure they did. Some oppose Theresa May. Some oppose the Conservatives. Some don't like the specifics of her deal. Some don't want any kind of deal.
     
  20. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    How will they change their opinions, I meant. How can they still do that. How would that be possible?
     

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