Anti-Bush Bullshit

[!--QuoteBegin-Perun+Oct 11 2005, 08:42 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Perun @ Oct 11 2005, 08:42 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]C'mon, everybody knows we're just hopelessly drunk and posting random bullshit [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
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Per, anyone who didn't know that by now will never be able to understand.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Perun+Oct 10 2005, 07:44 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Perun @ Oct 10 2005, 07:44 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I have to side with Mav there... life is life, no matter whether you call it human being, sequoia tree, rhinoceros or salmonella choleraesuis.
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and that is why I personally object to abortion because life is life whether the sperm has just fertilized the egg or be it a 3 month pregnancy. But AGAIN, like Owl, i contend that it MUST stay legal
[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]The human being is supposed to be the most evolved form of life on this planet.
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Mav can back me up on this, actually bacteria is the most evolved form of life because they reproduce the fastest yielding more generations in a day or even hours, which leads to faster adaptation, evolution etc etc.
[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--] An animal will never kill needlessly. An animal will kill specimens of the same species, but there is always a reason to it.
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Actually what we think of as "murder" exsists among primates... as well as prostitution [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]


As for your enviornmental bit at the end it depends how you look at it. If the population grows you need space to house it, if that includes deforesting an area here and killing a few wild animal species there... so be it, it was necessary. But if you go the other way you could say it is in fact needless because we need to promote family planning, safe sex and find ways to control the population growth that don't include, executions, abortions, Euthanasia, etc.

As you can see I didn't feel like doing my school readings today... ugh. feel like shit.
 
Well, In my country, abortion is almost a bad word. When good, catholic middle and upper class girls get pregnant, they get one, though. Funny, isn't it?

I almost compleately agree with Mav on the issue of life and that stuff.
But I would like to point out that abortion in the case of an unwanted (does that word exist?) pregnancy, what bothers me is the lack of responsability. In most things in life, you screw something up, you pay for it. A pregnancy is sometimes what you pay for iresponsable let's say sexual behaviour (I mean not using a prophilactic of any kind). So under this circumstance, it seems to me, the abortion is the ultimate both impunity and selfishness.

So I think more than discussing if a life is been destroyed, better think of how responsable people are.
I think that people should be better educated in been responsable towards his/her fellow humans.

Did I made any sense at all???
 
[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]And just to tackle back on this abortion issue, I definitely think it's up to he woman to do her own choice in private, not being influenced by people pressuring her "for her own good". [/quote]
Where are the men? Damn it!
Sorry Wasted in Paris to get at you. But since it seems there are a lot of men around, I'll make the most of it: guys, to have a baby, you need a woman AND a man. Abortion should always be a two persons decision.

[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]But I would like to point out that abortion in the case of an unwanted (does that word exist?) pregnancy, what bothers me is the lack of responsability. In most things in life, you screw something up, you pay for it. A pregnancy is sometimes what you pay for iresponsable let's say sexual behaviour (I mean not using a prophilactic of any kind). So under this circumstance, it seems to me, the abortion is the ultimate both impunity and selfishness.[/quote]
I wouldn't say that. It's a HUGE responsability to bring a child into this world, a life-long responsability.
Usually, in most developped countries, there is a medical/psychological interview before going along with the abortion. This is the time when the couple is asked the reasons why they want to undergo an abortion.
Abortion is not something you consider lightly. It's not a basic medical operation. You don't get a tooth out. That may be the case for a few people, but for most, it is a trauma.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Oct 12 2005, 02:24 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Oct 12 2005, 02:24 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Mav can back me up on this, actually bacteria is the most evolved form of life because they reproduce the fastest yielding more generations in a day or even hours, which leads to faster adaptation, evolution etc etc.
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Sorry, mate, but it depends how you consider evolution. To me, bacteria are in fact among the most primitive forms of life, despite their metabolic complexity. A mammalian cell is far more complex, with mind-boggling metabolic regulatory systems.

Humans are said to be the most evolved form of life on the planet because they have evolved to a huge extent what very few other animals have: consciousness and self-awareness. Which is why we're having this conversation! [!--emo&:)--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/smile.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'smile.gif\' /][!--endemo--]


On the topic of abortion, I somehow agree with Owly that the man should be involved too, but only when we're dealing with a couple with a real emotional bond between them (which rules out rape and drunken quickies). Still, in my opinion, the final decision should remain the woman's, as she is the one who will carry the child and do most of the raising.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Maverick+Oct 14 2005, 07:08 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Maverick @ Oct 14 2005, 07:08 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Sorry, mate, but it depends how you consider evolution. To me, bacteria are in fact among the most primitive forms of life, despite their metabolic complexity. A mammalian cell is far more complex, with mind-boggling metabolic regulatory systems.

Humans are said to be the most evolved form of life on the planet because they have evolved to a huge extent what very few other animals have: consciousness and self-awareness. Which is why we're having this conversation!  [!--emo&:)--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/smile.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'smile.gif\' /][!--endemo--]

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Damn you! who paid you to say that? I'll double it! But yeah I guess it depends how evolution is viewed, it goes both ways, i guess. I hate it when people say we're are the most evolved because it is that precise sentiment that has given man this air of superiority that he can do what he pleases with all other animals and his surroundings. Each animal is evolved to the extent that it needs to, not more nor less then other species. So to say that we are more evolved because we can build pretty pyramids and are self-aware to me is BS. Because a "simple" single cell organism has gone and goes under more changes than a human. Evolution occurs, in my opinion, because of two things, reproduction and outside (enviornmental) stress. And single cell organisms under go both more rapidly than any "complex" multi-cell organim thus evolves faster. One of the many reasons why we always get colds among other common diseases.
 
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