ADRIAN SMITH SURVIVOR 2013, PART 2: Results -> The Evil That Men Do wins!

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Crimson Idol said:
I respect your decisions in terms of votes (you may notice I never argue about them?), but you don't seem to respect other peoples. Every time anyone votes for anything you will spend the entire thread trying to change their minds - no one else does this, they all accept a difference of opinion, say "It's a farce :O" and leave it at that. This time, instead of trying to persuade them about the song, you are making up some ridiculous reason for it - in this case "Under exposure". Perhaps its worth considering the reasons the songs are less 'exposed' is because in general they are liked less...

Perhaps it's time to accept that people have already thought about the votes they make BEFORE they make them, so writing lengthy posts that boil down to "No you're wrong, listen again and you'll totally see it my way" is pointless. However, even the post I have quoted you have said I am "moaning" about it, quite possibly, but again it points to the fact that you see any disagreement as in some way wrong or mis-informed. If this is moaning, there is quite possibly a reason for it....

It is only a freaking game - why am I getting frustrated with it then you may ask - because you are constantly doing this, refusing to accept why people have a differing opinion and telling them to re-evaluate, then calling any further disagreement a moan. I never even post what I have voted SPECIFICALLY to avoid this crap.
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And just like that, the molehill has been turned into a mountain.
 
Let's try to make a molehill again, it's a long post, but let's try to work towards a solution.
Crimson Idol said:
I respect your decisions in terms of votes (you may notice I never argue about them?), but you don't seem to respect other peoples.
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Where do you read this?
Crimson Idol said:
Every time anyone votes for anything you will spend the entire thread trying to change their minds
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Do I always spend an entire thread to change someone's mind? First of all, that's gravely exaggerated. Second of all, even someone tries to change someone else's mind (or if it only looks like it), why be so angry about it? When people discuss something, they can talk about a subject -in this case a song- e.g. in a positive or negative way. If people try to tell their views, they use arguments. Which law on this forum forbids to explain? Which rule forbids someone to use words in more than 3 posts?
Crimson Idol said:
- no one else does this,
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Let's not be xenophobic about this.
Crimson Idol said:
they all accept a difference of opinion, say "It's a farce :O" and leave it at that.
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Fine for them. But you know what, it's not true. I know members who passionately speak about songs they love, or hate.
Crimson Idol said:
This time, instead of trying to persuade them about the song, you are making up some ridiculous reason for it - in this case "Under exposure".
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I am not making it up. I am convinced it can influence people in general. I haven't addressed an individual, there's no point in doing that.
If people feel that seeing a song live or not totally does not change their idea about a song, fine. But let's not be angry about it.
Crimson Idol said:
Perhaps its worth considering the reasons the songs are less 'exposed' is because in general they are liked less...
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Who knows. I also tend to think that Maiden are careful.
First they release a best-of the last two decades, then they dare to play a song from the nineties that wasn't done for 15 years
Crimson Idol said:
Perhaps it's time to accept that people have already thought about the votes they make BEFORE they make them, so writing lengthy posts that boil down to "No you're wrong, listen again and you'll totally see it my way" is pointless.
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So now you also don't like what Saap did? I saw several likes in his post. I like it too. Sometimes people are so much into their favourites, that they pay less attention to other songs. They keep playing favourite lists etc. Sometimes it's good to ask attention for a song. I mean, at least it's harmless.
Crimson Idol said:
However, even the post I have quoted you have said I am "moaning" about it, quite possibly, but again it points to the fact that you see any disagreement as in some way wrong or mis-informed. If this is moaning, there is quite possibly a reason for it....
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I did say you were moaning, because I am beginning to have enough of your intolerance. I decided to change it and instead explain why I don't like your accussive post.
Crimson Idol said:
It is only a freaking game - why am I getting frustrated with it then you may ask -
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Yes.
Crimson Idol said:
because you are constantly doing this,
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Exaggeration number X.
Crimson Idol said:
refusing to accept why people have a differing opinion and telling them to re-evaluate,
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I have already explained that this happens on forums. Still: Saying I don't accept other opinions is not true. I accept other opinions, but there's no law against discussing them, or my own.

I feel you don't accept discussions about songs. For some reason, you seem to dislike it to be convinced about something by someone else. It looks like you don't want to change thoughts about something. Everything needs to be set in stone before a topic is opened. During a survivor no one may change an opinion. And if there's a change, it rather not be because of outside factors.
Crimson Idol said:
then calling any further disagreement a moan. I never even post what I have voted SPECIFICALLY to avoid this crap.
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You have the right to do that. Look, the moan part was a reaction to your at least as sharp accusation. I changed it, and I even want to apologize for it, but please don't make such a big thing out of someone talking about songs, or song related subjects.

This is not the first time that I have noticed rage in your reactions towards my posts. I wish we could deal with this in a good way. But I don't have the answer yet. Maybe you should ignore me? The button was invented for a reason.

Other advice is welcome.
 
I didn't start this discussion, you may notice other people objected to the way you were trying to lead it - "don't appreciate the catalogue" etc. I joined in because I was growing tired of watching it go in circles.

I admire your desire to persuade others into giving songs another chance, but not your methods. Sometimes you do it calmly and express what you like about a song and why you think it deserves another chance, other times you just come out with "The other songs are boring" or like in this case, simply start throwing around random reasons. I am far from intolerant of opinions or discussion, the entire reason I joined this board was FOR discussion - the more indepth the better - but it goes far from discussion and more into the realms of telling other people why they have the opinions they do.

And now, as usual, you go back and edit your post to make it appear as if you have not had a hand in this. I am reacting to the way you commented, and you wait for a response then edit it. No one else edit's the posts in such a manner, especially as if anyone is going to apologise it makes sense to at least leave the original statement there so that the apology makes sense to anyone reading later on.

As for my acceptance of your opinion about songs, it is evident in the fact I don't go "How could you vote for this song Foro? Don't you see the intricate layers that it has? You simply mustn't have listened to it enough it's the only explanation!".
And on that note, my participation ends.
 
I am doing my best to be reasonable but the accusing only intensifies. Still I want to react to this:
Crimson Idol said:
And now, as usual, you go back and edit your post to make it appear as if you have not had a hand in this. I am reacting to the way you commented, and you wait for a response then edit it.
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No scheming or whatsoever. As I told you, instead of the word moaning, I explained why I didn't like your reaction. I thought you would have preferred that.

I edited my post 20 minutes before your reaction appeared. I never waited for a response.
 
Hey guys,

I got asked to come in here and take a look at the thread by another forum member. Please, please, please settle down. Both Idol and Foro are at fault here, and I will explain why right now.

1. Idol, Foro wasn't really forcing his opinion on anyone. He made a mistake in his reasoning, and I know that drove you nuts, but if you're feeling that way, come talk to a mod or something, please. Intent is important and I know Foro well enough to know he doesn't intend to drive you nuts...even if he has that capacity from time to time. I think the molehill-to-mountain description fits.

2. Foro, here's what I think really broke the camel's back - when you're talking about live songs vs. not-live songs, or exposure, you're suggesting that it matters. A lot of people here think their personal opinions are carefully crafted to avoid those sorts of biases. But even if they're wrong, exposure to a song is a perfectly valid reason to prefer it over another. There are no lesser or greater reasons to like or dislike a song, mate. When you say you don't name names but address the crowd in general, that means every single person can read offense from the comment. So, it's cool to say that you think that exposure is the reason one song is over another, but when you say things like "Yes, but the exposure thing is not about you as an individual. I spoke of general appreciation" it can be misinterpreted. Be mindful of that, mate.

If I have to come back in here, I'm closing the thread to comments. If there's any questions or clarifications needed, please PM me.

Yours,
LC
 
Paschendale (never understood all the attention paid to this one)
The Evil that Men Do (good song, but the competition is harsh here)
Stranger in a Strange Land (the only thing I really love is the awesome bassline, and since I assume this wasn't written by H...)
 
I can't believe that people are taking a silly vote so seriously. I mean come on guys, there's more important things in the world, like the plague that is tactical voting! :P
 
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