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Vaenyr said:
Your claim is that a racist would not surround himself with foreigners. That claim is objectively wrong and one prominent counter example is enough to show that: H.P. Lovecraft.

Now go touch some goddamn grass and let us all move on from this idiocy. You've derailed the thread enough already.
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Aggelos said:
Meanwhile you keep defending your point by arguing with someone who NEVER called Bruce a racist.
I mean, there's stupid and then there's stupid...
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I'm arguing with him cause he can't address a simple point and thinks repeating himself endlessly and telling the world how he is a paragon of virtue makes everything he says correct, when it clearly isn't.

Not difficult.
 
Yax said:
Do you not understand the arguments Vaenyr makes, or do you simply ignore them, like you seem to do with my post?
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He has failed to address a simple point I have made several times. A total failure to address a simple issue and repeating how brilliant people who agree with him are doesn't form a particularly strong argument.
 
I will summarise the argument. One person who was an anti semite fell in love with someone who is jewish.

That objectively means that a racist who hates foreigners would choose to surround themselves with people they detest despite not needing to presumably because they have some form of strange inverted self hate?

I am trying to find some rationality for you, truly I am.
 
Rob77 said:
I will summarise the argument. One person who was an anti semite fell in love with someone who is jewish.

That objectively means that a racist who hates foreigners would choose to surround themselves with people they detest despite not needing to presumably because they have some form of strange inverted self hate?

I am trying to find some rationality for you, truly I am.
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I have, explicitly, countered that premise. That specific argument has been answered. Twice by me, once by Vaenyr.

A racist, a bigot, a homophobe - there are countless examples of them accepting individuals of groups they dislike, hate and/or are afraid of. The acceptance is contingent on a personal relationship, or acceptance on a personal level, which doesn't extend to the "group". Which, by its very nature, displays how flawed racism, bigotry and homophobia is.
 
Yax said:
I have, explicitly, countered that premise. Your argument has been answered.
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No it hasn't. One person falling in love does not mean that every other bigot would behave in exactly the same fashion, indeed the fact you can only come up with one example (doubtless there are others) despite the frequency of racism which exists in the world shows quite clearly that your argument is totally false.

Otherwise every nazi would marry a jew and every KKK member would marry a black.
 
Rob77 said:
No it hasn't. One person falling in love does not mean that every other bigot would behave in exactly the same fashion, indeed the fact you can only come up with one example (doubtless there are others) despite the frequency of racism which exists in the world shows quite clearly that your argument is totally false.

Otherwise every nazi would marry a jew and every KKK member would marry a black.
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No?
 
No. Again. You can choose to accept an individual, while still having disdain for the group (and many don't accept anyone of the group they hate). That's the point. It's not like it's an uncommon phenomenon. In fact, befriending KKK members is literally how Daryl Davies would start to show them that their racist premises are wrong. Read about it. It is really interesting.

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Initially, they feel that if you're not white, you are inferior. [They believe] that black people have smaller brains, we're incapable of higher achievement. I'll give you an example of one. This guy was an exalted cyclops sitting in my car in my passenger seat. He made the statement, which I'd heard before, "Well we all know that all black people have within them a gene that makes them violent." I turned to him and I'm driving and I said, "Wait a minute. I'm as black as anybody you've ever seen. I have never done a carjacking or a driveby, how do you explain that?" He didn't even pause to think about it. He said, "Your gene is latent. It hasn't come out yet."

 
Yax said:
No. Again. You can choose to accept an individual, while still having disdain for the group. That's the point. It's not like it's an uncommon phenomenon. In fact, befriending KKK members is literally how Daryl Davies would start to show them that their racist premises are wrong. Read about it. It is really interesting.

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Initially, they feel that if you're not white, you are inferior. [They believe] that black people have smaller brains, we're incapable of higher achievement. I'll give you an example of one. This guy was an exalted cyclops sitting in my car in my passenger seat. He made the statement, which I'd heard before, "Well we all know that all black people have within them a gene that makes them violent." I turned to him and I'm driving and I said, "Wait a minute. I'm as black as anybody you've ever seen. I have never done a carjacking or a driveby, how do you explain that?" He didn't even pause to think about it. He said, "Your gene is latent. It hasn't come out yet."

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But they aren't accepting the individual they are choosing to surround themselves not just with one with a multiplicity of individuals who share characteristics they hate. A very strange way for a "racist" in your terms to behave.

Off course all prejudice is irrational but you are trying to generalise here.

That is where the argument totally falls down.

And the one you havent managed to address despite being invited to repeatedly.
 
Rob77 said:
People unable to answer a simple point in argument. Simple really.
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People have answered repeatedly. You simply choose to ignore all these answers because your original claim is simply objectively incorrect and has been disproven countless times ;)

Racists work with foreigners all the time. Not every racist hates the same exact ethnicities or races. Some, like Lovecraft, even married someone from a group they literally despised. If you can't understand how all of those facts refute your arguments, there is nothing anyone can say to convince you otherwise. Ignorance is truly bliss after all.

Now, can we finally move on? We've tried to educate you. You refuse to learn. Aggelos and I are commie libtards on our high horses looking down on the unwashed masses. You're the only one who makes sense as long as you ignore all the arguments that proved you wrong. Racists can fall in love with people they hate, but apparently working with people they hate that happen to be talented and can help propel their own career goes too far. Oh, and Brexit was to escape from the tyranny of the EU, because the West is anti-democratic. Did I forget anything? Are we fucking done?

Rob77 said:
Only in the sense that you are totally incapable of addressing why a racist would choose to work with foreigners when they don't have to. A very peculiar way for a racist in your terms to act and yet you think repeating yourself proves a point which it clearly doesn't. A very simple argument that you can't address and are now throwing your toys out of the pram in rage.
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I literally addressed it multiple times and proved you wrong a bunch of times. You are embarassing yourself my dude. Let's point it out one final time:

You have defeated your own argument. You claim that Lovecraft, who was a raging antisemite, might've just fallen in love with a Jewish woman. By that same logic, a racist can become friends (which is a much lower bar than falling in love with someone) with a person whose race they hate, and decide to work together.

Se? Your argument is so stupid that it defeated itself. But sure, keep telling yourself that you won, if that makes you feel better, buddy ;)

Rob77 said:
Just repeating yourself doesn't make it objective by the way.
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No, being objectively correct makes it objective. It's that simple.

Rob77 said:
Keep telling yourself you have put me in my place, it is quite amusing to think you getting a thrill out of your inability to acknowledge you are wrong.
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The projection is delicious.

Rob77 said:
Yes lets move on. I am sure everyone will of been converted to your point of view.
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Nothing more delicious than a pro-Brexit voice who doesn't even know his own language well enough to avoid such an elementary mistake lmao

I'd be more than happy to continue this in private messages if you dare. Unlike you, I want this thread to return to its actual topic instead of derailing it further.
 
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