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Aggelos said:
Meanwhile you keep defending your point by arguing with someone who NEVER called Bruce a racist.
I mean, there's stupid and then there's stupid...
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Vaenyr said:
Your claim is that a racist would not surround himself with foreigners. That claim is objectively wrong and one prominent counter example is enough to show that: H.P. Lovecraft.

Now go touch some goddamn grass and let us all move on from this idiocy. You've derailed the thread enough already.
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Again a total failure to address a simple point which i will repeat.

A racist surrounds himself with people he hates despite the fact he can afford to surround himself with people he likes and you consider this typical racist behaviour?

And it is objectively proved by Lovecraft- so one guy married a Jewish woman having been an antio semite- who knows what his motivation was (kink, self hate, fetish whatever)

and this somehow means a racist who hates mexicans would choose to surround himself with mexicans just for the hell of it?

Well you've convinced me.....
Aggelos said:
Meanwhile you keep defending your point by arguing with someone who NEVER called Bruce a racist.
I mean, there's stupid and then there's stupid...
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Its tagteam communism!

Are you the same person or just agreeing with yourself?
 
Vaenyr said:
Your claim is that a racist would not surround himself with foreigners. That claim is objectively wrong and one prominent counter example is enough to show that: H.P. Lovecraft.

Now go touch some goddamn grass and let us all move on from this idiocy. You've derailed the thread enough already.
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Aggelos said:
Meanwhile you keep defending your point by arguing with someone who NEVER called Bruce a racist.
I mean, there's stupid and then there's stupid...
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I'm arguing with him cause he can't address a simple point and thinks repeating himself endlessly and telling the world how he is a paragon of virtue makes everything he says correct, when it clearly isn't.

Not difficult.
 
Yax said:
Do you not understand the arguments Vaenyr makes, or do you simply ignore them, like you seem to do with my post?
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He has failed to address a simple point I have made several times. A total failure to address a simple issue and repeating how brilliant people who agree with him are doesn't form a particularly strong argument.
 
I will summarise the argument. One person who was an anti semite fell in love with someone who is jewish.

That objectively means that a racist who hates foreigners would choose to surround themselves with people they detest despite not needing to presumably because they have some form of strange inverted self hate?

I am trying to find some rationality for you, truly I am.
 
Rob77 said:
I will summarise the argument. One person who was an anti semite fell in love with someone who is jewish.

That objectively means that a racist who hates foreigners would choose to surround themselves with people they detest despite not needing to presumably because they have some form of strange inverted self hate?

I am trying to find some rationality for you, truly I am.
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I have, explicitly, countered that premise. That specific argument has been answered. Twice by me, once by Vaenyr.

A racist, a bigot, a homophobe - there are countless examples of them accepting individuals of groups they dislike, hate and/or are afraid of. The acceptance is contingent on a personal relationship, or acceptance on a personal level, which doesn't extend to the "group". Which, by its very nature, displays how flawed racism, bigotry and homophobia is.
 
Yax said:
I have, explicitly, countered that premise. Your argument has been answered.
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No it hasn't. One person falling in love does not mean that every other bigot would behave in exactly the same fashion, indeed the fact you can only come up with one example (doubtless there are others) despite the frequency of racism which exists in the world shows quite clearly that your argument is totally false.

Otherwise every nazi would marry a jew and every KKK member would marry a black.
 
Rob77 said:
No it hasn't. One person falling in love does not mean that every other bigot would behave in exactly the same fashion, indeed the fact you can only come up with one example (doubtless there are others) despite the frequency of racism which exists in the world shows quite clearly that your argument is totally false.

Otherwise every nazi would marry a jew and every KKK member would marry a black.
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No?
 
No. Again. You can choose to accept an individual, while still having disdain for the group (and many don't accept anyone of the group they hate). That's the point. It's not like it's an uncommon phenomenon. In fact, befriending KKK members is literally how Daryl Davies would start to show them that their racist premises are wrong. Read about it. It is really interesting.

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Initially, they feel that if you're not white, you are inferior. [They believe] that black people have smaller brains, we're incapable of higher achievement. I'll give you an example of one. This guy was an exalted cyclops sitting in my car in my passenger seat. He made the statement, which I'd heard before, "Well we all know that all black people have within them a gene that makes them violent." I turned to him and I'm driving and I said, "Wait a minute. I'm as black as anybody you've ever seen. I have never done a carjacking or a driveby, how do you explain that?" He didn't even pause to think about it. He said, "Your gene is latent. It hasn't come out yet."

 
Yax said:
No. Again. You can choose to accept an individual, while still having disdain for the group. That's the point. It's not like it's an uncommon phenomenon. In fact, befriending KKK members is literally how Daryl Davies would start to show them that their racist premises are wrong. Read about it. It is really interesting.

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Initially, they feel that if you're not white, you are inferior. [They believe] that black people have smaller brains, we're incapable of higher achievement. I'll give you an example of one. This guy was an exalted cyclops sitting in my car in my passenger seat. He made the statement, which I'd heard before, "Well we all know that all black people have within them a gene that makes them violent." I turned to him and I'm driving and I said, "Wait a minute. I'm as black as anybody you've ever seen. I have never done a carjacking or a driveby, how do you explain that?" He didn't even pause to think about it. He said, "Your gene is latent. It hasn't come out yet."

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But they aren't accepting the individual they are choosing to surround themselves not just with one with a multiplicity of individuals who share characteristics they hate. A very strange way for a "racist" in your terms to behave.

Off course all prejudice is irrational but you are trying to generalise here.

That is where the argument totally falls down.

And the one you havent managed to address despite being invited to repeatedly.
 
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