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To me, this way of thinking—“society is to blame for what a criminal has become”—falls into the category of progressive narratives, which are not always healthy for society. And I think Democrats are more often associated, or can be associated, with progressive thinking. For example, some lower-level Democrats supported or defended the “defund the police” movement, although I admit the Democratic Party as a whole did not adopt it as an official platform.
 
Azas said:
Is it true that on the GoFundMe platform, “progressive and caring” U.S. citizens started a fundraiser for Decarlos Brown (the subway killer)? If this is true, it’s increasingly clear that the U.S. seriously needs to check itself. Trump is not the problem—Trump is just the result, the outcome. I’m baffled.

And to be clear, I still hate Trump, but the Democrats in their current form are completely out of touch with reality.

(Yes, yes, this post may be ignorant—I don’t live in the U.S. and I may often fall for propaganda—but it seems pretty obvious that a government or establishment which blames society instead of criminals is going to either disintegrate itself or the society.)
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But, for a more in-depth response to this. I do think Trump's rise to power is him more of a symptom of the information sphere we live in in these modern times and a reflection of society's worship of celebrity. Those things have nothing to do with the GoFundMe.

But, that being said, I'm failing to see how private citizens starting a fundraiser for anything is an indictment of a political party as a whole. It's a somewhat of a false equivalency.
 
I agree with what you said about the “info sphere” and how nowadays almost anyone, no matter how crazy, can be heard and attract a following. What I meant was the interconnected narratives in society that have been largely influenced by the left or progressive Democrats. Like I mentioned earlier, one example is “defund the police,” which was at least verbally backed by some Democrats.

This GoFundMe case falls into that same “new trends” category—the trend of sympathizing with the criminal. The idea that he had no chance, society failed him… But to me, he already committed a monstrous crime, and personally, I don’t see any way back for him. In this scenario, he should face a very heavy punishment—not a fundraiser.

I see these trends as part of progressive left narratives, where responsibility lies not with the criminal, but with society. Yes, of course society must improve itself—but not at the cost of the victims. Action against criminals must be decisive, and taken at early stages.

I don’t know, maybe some of what I just wrote comes across as propaganda, but to me it feels like not everything is going well in the broader democratic world. To sum it up: there’s a tendency to sweep problems under the carpet, act with half measures, avoid offending anyone, and even treat thugs “nicely.”

Some of you might say that this GoFundMe thing is just a necessary grimace of democracy. But to me, it’s simply insane. There have to be some rules.
 
I agree with what you said about the “info sphere” and how nowadays almost anyone, no matter how crazy, can be heard and attract a following. What I meant was the interconnected narratives in society that have been largely influenced by the left or progressive Democrats. Like I mentioned earlier, one example is “defund the police,” which was at least verbally backed by some Democrats.

This GoFundMe case falls into that same “new trends” category—the trend of sympathizing with the criminal. The idea that he had no chance, society failed him… But to me, he already committed a monstrous crime, and personally, I don’t see any way back for him. In this scenario, he should face a very heavy punishment—not a fundraiser.

I see these trends as part of progressive left narratives, where responsibility lies not with the criminal, but with society. Yes, of course society must improve itself—but not at the cost of the victims. Action against criminals must be decisive, and taken at early stages.

I don’t know, maybe some of what I just wrote comes across as propaganda, but to me it feels like not everything is going well in the broader democratic world. To sum it up: there’s a tendency to sweep problems under the carpet, act with half measures, avoid offending anyone, and even treat thugs “nicely.”
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Oh? The left and progressive Democrats did not vote for a 34-time convicted felon, nor supported the pardoning of those who stormed the capitol on January 6th. Can you explain how the progressives did that?

Some of you might say that this GoFundMe thing is just a necessary grimace of democracy. But to me, it’s simply insane. There have to be some rules.
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Who is saying it may be 'a necessary grimace of democracy?' You're crafting an opposition in your head and have already pinned it on someone/something. This somewhat plays into my point on the information sphere and the mentality surrounding it on preconceived notions. "This thing is bad therefore it must believe/think/do _________."
 
I already wrote about the preexisting trends and narratives that were advocated by progressives and some Democrats. But what went so wrong that a 34-time convicted felon managed to win the election? How is that even possible—especially if the Democrats supposedly did everything right?

My last three sentences were more rhetorical, of course. One could simply say, “That’s how democracy works.”
 
srfc said:
regular police having things like armoured cars and tanks and the likes, which seems a bit like the sort of things Stasi style organisations have not the regular police.
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Yes, the militarization of the police, and the shift in thinking from “protect and serve” to “make sure the cop comes home uninjured at all costs” really polluted policing in the U.S.
 
Azas said:
I already wrote about the preexisting trends and narratives that were advocated by progressives and some Democrats. But what went so wrong that a 34-time convicted felon managed to win the election? How is that even possible—especially if the Democrats supposedly did everything right?

My last three sentences were more rhetorical, of course. One could simply say, “That’s how democracy works.”
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Hang on now, you're advocating the position that the position of excusing criminals is a phenomenon of the left. Sure, you can have plenty of reasons to not vote for the Democratic ticket in 2024, but that ignores the fact that people actively chose and the majority of votes cast in the election were for the convicted felon. Yet you are blaming progressives for people actively choosing to vote that way? Not voting at all or for either the Democratic or Republican candidate is an option.

It's 'rhetorical', but you were already putting an argument in other's mouths?
 
Azas said:
Is it true that on the GoFundMe platform, “progressive and caring” U.S. citizens started a fundraiser for Decarlos Brown (the subway killer)? If this is true, it’s increasingly clear that the U.S. seriously needs to check itself. Trump is not the problem—Trump is just the result, the outcome. I’m baffled.

And to be clear, I still hate Trump, but the Democrats in their current form are completely out of touch with reality.

(Yes, yes, this post may be ignorant—I don’t live in the U.S. and I may often fall for propaganda—but it seems pretty obvious that a government or establishment which blames society instead of criminals is going to either disintegrate itself or the society.)
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Flaming Blimp Crash said:
Hang on now, you're advocating the position that the position of excusing criminals is a phenomenon of the left. Sure, you can have plenty of reasons to not vote for the Democratic ticket in 2024, but that ignores the fact that people actively chose and the majority of votes cast in the election were for the convicted felon. Yet you are blaming progressives for people actively choosing to vote that way? Not voting at all or for either the Democratic or Republican candidate is an option.

It's 'rhetorical', but you were already putting an argument in other's mouths?
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Whatever it takes to ignore what should be the main topic at hand:

Vaenyr said:
I just wanna remind everyone, that Trump is a convicted sexual abuser:


And he's definitely a pedophile molesting children:

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Azas said:
But what went so wrong that a 34-time convicted felon managed to win the election? How is that even possible—especially if the Democrats supposedly did everything right?
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I mean they obviously did not do everything right, that’s why they lost the election.
 
I find it interesting that my posts today on this thread closely echo what U.S. officials are saying. Yet I don’t support this government. So either I’m secretly working for U.S. government PR, living entirely on propaganda—or there’s actually some merit to my thoughts. (I get why U.S. officials say what they do: a) to score points against the Democrats, and b) because they know it’s what the majority of people want to hear.)
And yes, Trump is a sexual abuser and a convicted felon.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965484914205454758
 
Your angle through the day has been "progressives have decided to reward criminals and have created a culture that does so - and this is the official stance of the Democratic Party" to the point that you've created a narrative that people here believe it and are riling yourself up over that 'rhetorical' narrative. We're not even talking about propaganda here - it's just cart in front of the horse mental gymnastics.

This crime occurred in North Carolina - a Republican state. A state whose legislature has been solid Republican for the past 15 years to the point where they can override a governor veto and has only voted for the Democratic candidate for President once in the past 45 years (Obama only won by 0.32% in 2008 - an election that had him win Indiana and had him just lose in Missouri - both solid red states themselves.)
 
Anyone starting a gofundme for him is stupid. But anyone can start one for anything.

Remember the guy who admitted to being a fascist on Jubilee, got a round of applause from the other right wingers in the room, and lost his job? He raised at least $30k.

Are you associating that crowdfunding with Republicans the same way you're associating this scenario with Democrats?
 
As far as the whole "he's a criminal and a thug and society had nothing to do with it"

From what I've read he's schizophrenic and homeless. People with that level of mental health issues shouldn't just be wandering the streets. So yes there's some societal factors at work here.

That doesn't mean he shouldn't do jail time, but if you don't want horrible shit like this to happen then you have to work on improving society. Just focusing on punishment after the fact wouldn't have stopped this from happening.
 
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