18th Studio Album discussion

You can argue that Maiden's music is formulaic too and has been for a very long time.

I would argue that for parts of DOD, TFF and TBOS. There are a few songs there that, while I enjoy them, don't exactly burst with originality. Nevertheless, I think that each post-reunion album has done things the band never did before. The degree of experimentation certainly is conservative compared to other bands, but it's still there. The only album that really didn't feature anything new was TFF.
 
You can argue that Maiden's music is formulaic too and has been for a very long time. Moreover, to a lot of people outside the Maiden fans bubble, Iron Maiden have spent the last 25 years creating albums full of lumbering longueurs with boring slow intros and outros.

For what is worth, I much prefer Iron Maiden to U.D.O. though.
I think you are right on the money, though I don't find "formulaic" something negative.
 
As long as one enjoys the style followed, there is no problem at all. I really enjoy AC/DC, Status Quo and the Ramones!
Yep. I mean, to most casuals, Maiden between 1980-1992 sounds roughly the same, as does the reunion material. The differences are more obvious to us more avid fans, as we view Maiden from a different, perhaps more detail-oriented perspective. And in there, the differences and variations are magnified.
 
You can argue that Maiden's music is formulaic too and has been for a very long time. Moreover, to a lot of people outside the Maiden fans bubble, Iron Maiden have spent the last 25 years creating albums full of lumbering longueurs with boring slow intros and outros.

For what is worth, I much prefer Iron Maiden to U.D.O. though.
Like you said, Maiden's music may seem formulaic too, but when you dive in to the stuff or scrape thing a little, you can see that they try to explore different styles.

People tend to say the same thing to Maiden even in the 80's, even though they drastically changed after Killers and tried many different styles and synthesizers afterwards. I think when people look from a distant and only to the standout tracks they only see the galloping or the air raid siren vocals or the classic maidenesque melodies, whatever. but in case Maiden tried many things. like many songs with no classic choruses (rime, hallowed etc)... take infinite dreams, a song where no "line" in the lyrics repeat and it's like a long poem. or how they add AC/DC-ish dirty rock to their music in NPFtD. and they did made surprises along the way like the thrash-y song be quick or be dead or the poppy can i play with madness. and to be fair, x-factor was counted as "too much experimental" at the time, which is now considered to be the root of the postreunion song formula.

Postreunion also had weird experiments, especially in Final Frontier record, Satellite intro, Isle of Avalon etc... In book of souls, starting an album with a downtuned Bruce solo song, a hard rock-ish / AOR-ish song Tears of a clown, and Empire of the Clouds, a symphonic epic with a weird piano performance of bruce. on Senjutsu country-esque/western-esque single Writing on the Wall, doom-esque opening Senjutsu, the unusual chorus-climax of Hell on Earth and all...

And I must add: even the songwriting is formulaic, the playing and the details in the performances make all the difference. after all of course like every other art form, music has a formula too. but when nicko adds a SOS fill to a song, or Adrian makes one lick which mesmerize us, or Steve put a great bass line between somewhere, that formula feeling is gone.

I think they still try new things, stretch storytelling and playing ideas inside the borders of Maiden. While other bands, especially the ones who release new stuff very quickly lean on their formulas too much.
 
TFF also had the very un-Maiden Satellite 15 intro, as well as some proggy interludes in songs like Isle Of Avalon or Starblind. Not as flashy or unique as the first song with a double bass pedal on DOD or the first song with a piano on TBOS, but there's enough there to keep TFF apart from the other albums.
 
I would argue that for parts of DOD, TFF and TBOS. There are a few songs there that, while I enjoy them, don't exactly burst with originality. Nevertheless, I think that each post-reunion album has done things the band never did before. The degree of experimentation certainly is conservative compared to other bands, but it's still there. The only album that really didn't feature anything new was TFF.
It's funny I've seen this a lot before but I really feel TFF is one of the more unique albums of the reunion era. It's true that it feels like a straight continuation of AMOLAD, more than any other pair of Maiden albums outside maybe SIT to SSOASS or the first two albums, but despite nearly every song being a rehash of the framework of a previous song (usually on AMOLAD), I think they innovated a bit within those frameworks. The backwards guitar solo on Man Who Would Be King is a good example, or just having a proggy Murray epic in general is kinda unusual. Both Starblind and Isle of Avalon (the latter especially) feel unlike anything Maiden had done before, with Avalon in particular being the closest the band gets to approaching straight up progressive rock. Obviously Satellite 15 is kind of its own thing. Even songs like El Dorado and The Alchemist feel like the band recapturing their 80s energy in a way that we hadn't really heard during the reunion era up until that point.

But yes, I agree with the overall sentiment that Maiden is a formulaic band, especially in the reunion era, but I think that works for them. There are some bands that I like to see change things up a lot, but I like that Maiden stick with what works for them. It makes their discography much more consistent than, say, Judas Priest.

I will say that the biggest factor over the years that has contributed to distinguishing Maiden albums from each other is the production, especially in the 80s when each Birch album seemed to have its own sonic identity. Obviously that is less the case now, but I don't think it's a coincidence that the better produced albums (SIT, SSOASS, Brave New World, AMOLAD, Powerslave) tend to be rated higher than the ones that don't sound as good (Dance of Death, X Factor, maybe the last two).
 
It's funny I've seen this a lot before but I really feel TFF is one of the more unique albums of the reunion era. It's true that it feels like a straight continuation of AMOLAD, more than any other pair of Maiden albums outside maybe SIT to SSOASS or the first two albums, but despite nearly every song being a rehash of the framework of a previous song (usually on AMOLAD), I think they innovated a bit within those frameworks. The backwards guitar solo on Man Who Would Be King is a good example, or just having a proggy Murray epic in general is kinda unusual. Both Starblind and Isle of Avalon (the latter especially) feel unlike anything Maiden had done before, with Avalon in particular being the closest the band gets to approaching straight up progressive rock. Obviously Satellite 15 is kind of its own thing. Even songs like El Dorado and The Alchemist feel like the band recapturing their 80s energy in a way that we hadn't really heard during the reunion era up until that point.

But yes, I agree with the overall sentiment that Maiden is a formulaic band, especially in the reunion era, but I think that works for them. There are some bands that I like to see change things up a lot, but I like that Maiden stick with what works for them. It makes their discography much more consistent than, say, Judas Priest.

I will say that the biggest factor over the years that has contributed to distinguishing Maiden albums from each other is the production, especially in the 80s when each Birch album seemed to have its own sonic identity. Obviously that is less the case now, but I don't think it's a coincidence that the better produced albums (SIT, SSOASS, Brave New World, AMOLAD, Powerslave) tend to be rated higher than the ones that don't sound as good (Dance of Death, X Factor, maybe the last two).
Great post. I’m in the proTFF camp. There are some really interesting songs on there and they were trying some new ideas. I think it is a shame that Adrian said in an interview that he went back to writing shorter songs after the slightly negative press TFF got (citation needed).
 
You can argue that Maiden's music is formulaic too and has been for a very long time. Moreover, to a lot of people outside the Maiden fans bubble, Iron Maiden have spent the last 25 years creating albums full of lumbering longueurs with boring slow intros and outros.
I think the best way to say it is: Maiden's music is more involving and more interesting. Also - details, playing, ideas. Important stuff, as @Starblind said. Formulatic? The slow intros/outros, yes. It's not a negative thing. But Reunion era is so different from the 80's era and early 90's era, so it's good.
Nevertheless, I think that each post-reunion album has done things the band never did before.
True that. DOD and TFF probably the most, while BNW and TBOS probably combine the most from all eras. What works, style, but not more of the same (in general) like some other bands. Maiden combine their sounds (more or less) well enough since 2000. The band evolved.
I will say that the biggest factor over the years that has contributed to distinguishing Maiden albums from each other is the production...
So not the songs in the 80's, I beg to differ. It's always about the material more than the sound. The Reunion albums also have enough distinctive sonic identities.
 
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^This is news to me. I thought it's because he prefers to write shorter songs in general.
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‘I think on the last album [Final Frontier] I brought in a lot of ‘strange’ time signatures, a lot of sevens. To be honest, we didn’t really embrace it like I thought we would. I don’t think it really gelled’.

 
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‘I think on the last album [Final Frontier] I brought in a lot of ‘strange’ time signatures, a lot of sevens. To be honest, we didn’t really embrace it like I thought we would. I don’t think it really gelled’.

Funnily enough AMOLAD already started that trend. Thousand Suns features 7s prominently and the main riff for Different World was originally written in 7/8 before they changed it to the 4/4 riff we know now.
 
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‘I think on the last album [Final Frontier] I brought in a lot of ‘strange’ time signatures, a lot of sevens. To be honest, we didn’t really embrace it like I thought we would. I don’t think it really gelled’.

I've interpreted that and some of his other comments around this time less about the audience reception and more about the raw production and loose recording style on TFF. It's also well documented that he wanted to add more reverb and such to those songs. His songs on the last two Maiden albums seem to be more straightforward and not in as much need of polished production.
 
WotW is easily the best-produced song on Senjutsu and no surprise, they actually re-recorded the guitars rather than using the live off the floor takes. It's so annoying because that's what they should've done all along, preserve the live rhythm section but redo the stuff on top like guitars and vocals so you get best of both worlds.
 
WotW is easily the best-produced song on Senjutsu and no surprise, they actually re-recorded the guitars rather than using the live off the floor takes. It's so annoying because that's what they should've done all along, preserve the live rhythm section but redo the stuff on top like guitars and vocals so you get best of both worlds.
I had long suspected this but never saw it confirmed anywhere. Do you know if this was done in the original sessions or later on? WotW sounds so much better than the rest of the album that I have wondered if it was revisited sometime during the period when the album had been locked in the vault and touched up later on perhaps when it was time to prep it for a lead single release.
 
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‘I think on the last album [Final Frontier] I brought in a lot of ‘strange’ time signatures, a lot of sevens. To be honest, we didn’t really embrace it like I thought we would. I don’t think it really gelled’.

Thanks for sharing this interesting interview. But I think Adrian is referring to his own opinion about his ''strange'' ideas for this album and that it's odd even for Reunion ''prog'' Maiden. Plus he wanted a different production for it. He had said that he always try do something new on each album, which is great. It's interesting that he had around 12 songs for TBOS album (he co-wrote 9 songs for the last 2 albums) and that he thought they would write more shorter songs for it for the needed balance. Also, most of his solos are spontaneous, which you wouldn't normally say. Playing with sounds outside of Maiden probably helped him.

Here's a recent interview with him where he says Bruce can write to his ideas very quickly - which only confirms that Maiden (and Bruce solo) just need a couple of months and the albums will be ready. Waiting for an inspiration? We're still on a normal course though, and if the new tour is only 2 legs. I just hope Adrian won't tour with SK early next year.

WotW is easily the best-produced song on Senjutsu and no surprise, they actually re-recorded the guitars rather than using the live off the floor takes. It's so annoying because that's what they should've done all along, preserve the live rhythm section but redo the stuff on top like guitars and vocals so you get best of both worlds.
This.
 
Here's a recent interview with him where he says Bruce can write to his ideas very quickly - which only confirms that Maiden (and Bruce solo) just need a couple of months and the albums will be ready. Waiting for an inspiration? We're still on a normal course though, and if the new tour is only 2 legs. I just hope Adrian won't tour with SK early next year.
Actually, Bruce and H tend to work quickly because Adrian usually serves Bruce an almost complete demo with the title. Bruce takes the title and writes the lyrics and vocal melodies.

That was the case with Speed Of Light, Death Or Glory, WOTW and Darkest Hour.
 
I had long suspected this but never saw it confirmed anywhere. Do you know if this was done in the original sessions or later on? WotW sounds so much better than the rest of the album that I have wondered if it was revisited sometime during the period when the album had been locked in the vault and touched up later on perhaps when it was time to prep it for a lead single release.
I definitely agree on this. When I heard WOTW for the first time, I felt Senjutsu was gonna be the next, well produced album since AMOLAD & then I heard the Stratego and I was like dream on.
 
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