DAWSON 1 YEAR ON

riff said:
"The band are playing at their best... since 2022"

I'm not knocking anyone's optimism but the bar is on the floor with some of you guys. :lol:
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This. Maiden deserved a drummer who was more of an upgrade. Not just "better than a 74-year-old who had a stroke".

Personally, I'd rather they continued with Nicko and just did far fewer shows / residencies in major cities per year. From his performances with Titanium Tart, the man can still play (and play FAST) and his unique feel and musicianship still shines through in spades despite the simplified drum parts.
 
PhantomOfTheOpera said:
In a way, I'm actually glad I didn't travel to another country just to hear that song live. They never brought it back when Nicko was still able to play it with the stamina and power it deserved, such as during the Maiden England World Tour. I'd almost rather never hear it live than hear it without the intensity the song deserves. Damn it, Anika—or someone of her caliber—could have absolutely nailed it.
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Yes, its a waste that nicko couldnt play infinite dreams in 2013/14.
 
Kurt Barlow said:
You don’t think performing in stadiums all over the world is a sufficient enough test?

He can’t do it. The band is compromised. And they know it.
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No, because I personally now have lower expectations for Maiden once they took the RFYL route with the setlist.

So no, the band is not compromised by Simon. The band has consciously taken a nostalgia route for its 50th anniversary, in contention to its own message about new material being the fuel for the band.

I stand by my assertion : the real test for Simon comes if there is a new album.

If there isn’t, then frankly who cares who drums on the hits (and one or two 80s deep cuts) till the curtain call? My opinion alone and I stand by it.
 
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Lego said:
This. Maiden deserved a drummer who was more of an upgrade. Not just "better than a 74-year-old who had a stroke".

Personally, I'd rather they continued with Nicko and just did far fewer shows / residencies in major cities per year. From his performances with Titanium Tart, the man can still play (and play FAST) and his unique feel and musicianship still shines through in spades despite the simplified drum parts.
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The problem with this opinion is that Nicko retired
 
Helmuth Von Moltke said:
No, because I personally now have lower expectations for Maiden once they took the RFYL route with the setlist.

So no, the band is not compromised by Simon. The band has consciously taken a nostalgia route for its 50th anniversary, in contention to its own message about new material being the fuel for the band.

I stand by my assertion : the real test for Simon comes if there is a new album.

If there isn’t, then frankly who cares who drums on the hits (and one or two 80s deep cuts) till the curtain call? My opinion alone and I stand by it.
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This is absolutely wild.

I know you guys have loyalty to the band, but the idea that it doesn’t matter who plays drums on the old stuff is just not a mindset I can get behind. If they got a new lead singer, say someone from Wolfsbane or some other B-list metal band, and say he couldn’t sing Run To The Hills or The Trooper, we’d all be pretty concerned, right?

Lads. It’s ok to criticise the band. I love them. Always have. But I cannot bring myself to go and see this line up as the songs sound bad. It is rock music that doesn’t rock. Rock music stripped of its very essence. Its edge.
 
Kurt Barlow said:
You don’t think performing in stadiums all over the world is a sufficient enough test?

He can’t do it. The band is compromised. And they know it.
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I do think you can say that Maiden could have found a better drummer if they’d gone through a proper selection process.
That said, I still saw a really good live band this summer whose performance I enjoyed.

I always find it silly when people bring up the fact that they’re 70 years old. I constantly come back from concerts disappointed because the 20- to 40-year-olds on stage couldn’t properly reproduce the songs I knew from the album and wanted to hear.

You’re entitled to your opinion that Iron Maiden is compromised. What I do wonder, though, is: How can you claim that the band knows that?
 
Hendrik said:
I do think you can say that Maiden could have found a better drummer if they’d gone through a proper selection process.
That said, I still saw a really good live band this summer whose performance I enjoyed.

I always find it silly when people bring up the fact that they’re 70 years old. I constantly come back from concerts disappointed because the 20- to 40-year-olds on stage couldn’t properly reproduce the songs I knew from the album and wanted to hear.

You’re entitled to your opinion that Iron Maiden is compromised. What I do wonder, though, is: How can you claim that the band knows that?
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Harris might be stubbornly convincing himself he’s made the right choice. Dickinson is utterly delusional in his proclamation that ‘it’s like having Clive Burr’ back in the band. But anyone else with a sense of tempo knows the band is not exactly on fire at the moment. I guarantee it. This has famously irked Smith in the past. He won’t be happy now.
 
I think Simon's drumming lacks the flow that Nicko’s drumming had pre-stroke, struggling to capture the feel of Maiden’s proggier side. At the same time, one could argue that he does not nail Clive’s drum parts either (being asked to start the show with Murders in the rue Morgue probably doesn’t help).

Don't get me wrong: he is definitely a competent drummer. However, having played with Steve in British Lion is probably the main reason he got the job. Either way, nothing that we say is going to change Steve's decision.

Bottom line is the band are on their victory lap and the choice is ours: we can either go and see them live with the current line-up or stay away and live with the memories of their past shows.
 
riff said:
"The band are playing at their best... since 2022"

I'm not knocking anyone's optimism but the bar is on the floor with some of you guys. :lol:
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Actually, the best since 2019. All the post-covid tours had issues and problems to some degree, while LOTB 18/19 is commonly seen as some of Maiden's finest performances. So, the bar isn't that low :D

Eduardo Cabeza said:
So, Simon Dawson, being five years younger, is better than the previous drummer after he had a stroke. This pretty much sums it all up.
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I'm not the one who pretends that Simon is the worst drummer in the world. The part you quoted shouldn't be shocking but our new resident Simon-hater vehemently disputes even that simple statement.
Kurt Barlow said:
This is absolutely wild.

I know you guys have loyalty to the band, but the idea that it doesn’t matter who plays drums on the old stuff is just not a mindset I can get behind. If they got a new lead singer, say someone from Wolfsbane or some other B-list metal band, and say he couldn’t sing Run To The Hills or The Trooper, we’d all be pretty concerned, right?

Lads. It’s ok to criticise the band. I love them. Always have. But I cannot bring myself to go and see this line up as the songs sound bad. It is rock music that doesn’t rock. Rock music stripped of its very essence. Its edge.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with "loyalty" and it is disingenuous to frame it this way. You can look through the forum and you'll see a ton of deserved criticism. I've been extremely critical of various decisions and performances (just look up what I've written about Aces High over the years lol). The thing is, criticism has to be in good faith, not just blindly hating. As soon as one starts making up blatant bullshit, of course people are going to call them out.

I know this will come to a shock to you, but your subjective experience is not a universal fact. People can, and will, have different opinions. And their opinions are just as valid as yours, whether you like it or not.
 
Vaenyr said:
Actually, the best since 2019. All the post-covid tours had issues and problems to some degree, while LOTB 18/19 is commonly seen as some of Maiden's finest performances. So, the bar isn't that low :D


I'm not the one who pretends that Simon is the worst drummer in the world. The part you quoted shouldn't be shocking but our new resident Simon-hater vehemently disputes even that simple statement.

This has absolutely nothing to do with "loyalty" and it is disingenuous to frame it this way. You can look through the forum and you'll see a ton of deserved criticism. I've been extremely critical of various decisions and performances (just look up what I've written about Aces High over the years lol). The thing is, criticism has to be in good faith, not just blindly hating. As soon as one starts making up blatant bullshit, of course people are going to call them out.

I know this will come to a shock to you, but your subjective experience is not a universal fact. People can, and will, have different opinions. And their opinions are just as valid as yours, whether you like it or not.
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Bad faith? I ADORE Iron Maiden.

Hating? Dude. Really. Grow up.

That Dawson is not as good a drummer as Nicko/Burr IS a fact. Just as Blaze wasn't as good a singer as Dickinson. Just as Gers isn't as good as Smith. Some things are just quantifiably true.
 
Kurt Barlow said:
Bad faith? I ADORE Iron Maiden.

Hating? Dude. Really. Grow up.

That Dawson is not as good a drummer as Nicko/Burr IS a fact. Just as Blaze wasn't as good a singer as Dickinson. Just as Gers isn't as good as Smith. Some things are just quantifiably true.
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You need to look up the definitions of the following words:

- Art
- Fact
- Objective
- Subjective

Art is subjective. You need to stop passing your subjective thoughts as "facts". They are not "facts". They are simply how you perceive these things.
 
Vaenyr said:
You need to look up the definitions of the following words:

- Art
- Fact
- Objective
- Subjective

Art is subjective. You need to stop passing your subjective thoughts as "facts". They are not "facts". They are simply how you perceive these things.
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Here you’re just talking about how to talk, and not actually saying anything. Thought you’d pressed ‘ignore’ on me anyway?

Art is creative expression.

In this case, Steve Harris is the artist, as he is the writer.

Dawson’s job is to bring to life the artistic endeavours of another artist. He can’t do it to the standard it which has previously been performed. IN MY OPINION.

Go on. Tell me more about how language works. Patronising little dilettante.
 
Kurt Barlow said:
Bad faith? I ADORE Iron Maiden.

Hating? Dude. Really. Grow up.

That Dawson is not as good a drummer as Nicko/Burr IS a fact. Just as Blaze wasn't as good a singer as Dickinson. Just as Gers isn't as good as Smith. Some things are just quantifiably true.
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Dawson is not as good as nicko but its ok to play live
Gers isnt as good as adrian but it was ok to play and record albums
Blaze isnt as good as bruce but it was ok to record and absolute disaster singing most of bruce songs. Wasnt his fault
 
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dickinson1978 said:
Dawson is not as good as nicko but its ok to play live
Gers isnt as good as adrian but it was ok to play and record albums
Blaze isnt as good as bruce but it was ok to record and absolute disaster singing most of bruce songs. Wasnt his fault
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It was ok. But it wasn’t very good. We all discussed it, pre-internet, and agreed it wasn’t very good. At all.

And that’s what we’re doing here. Maiden deserve better.
 
Let´s face it, Iron Maiden just really sucks nowadays. Lackluster performances all the time. Clearly they aren´t having any fun on stage anymore. Just an overall bad cabaret act. :puke:
 
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