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The video I've seen shows 2 white peelers hand cuffing a white guy. Maybe the stabbing was racially motivated, I've not read into it and the police are definitely culpable in his death but I don't see how the policing is racist in this case. It's negligent and amateurish in the extreme.

To me it looks like the Sikh guys called the police and the police took them at their word that Novak was up to no good. The Sikh father even tells them that Novak can't stay upright and has a mouthful of blood. It's absolutely mind boggling that the police didn't treat him as a casualty but I don't see white on white racism here. Doesn't make any sense. The simple explanation is that the police are just fuckin useless.
Maybe not all of them, to be fair: the female police officer whose voice you hear does immediately try to help Nowak but she is ignored/brushed aside (maybe overruled) - I think she probably did the best she could in the circumstances.

On the other hand, the policeman who you hear saying "he hasn't been stabbed" without checking really at all I don't think should be allowed to be a policeman anymore.
 
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Maybe not all of them, to be fair: the female police officer whose voice you hear does immediately try to help Novak but she is ignored/brushed aside (maybe overruled) - I think she probably did the best she could in the circumstances.

On the other hand, the policeman who you hear saying "he hasn't been stabbed" without checking really at all I don't think should be allowed to be a policeman anymore.
Fair point, I didn't notice that, think I had the sound off when I watched it earlier. Feels like that makes it worse, that one of them was thinkin right but wasn't heard.

And yeah, I agree, losing his job is the least that should happen.
 
I'm always open to discussion and having my mind changed. So tell me how this is a racist event.
I doubt i`m going to convince you of it if you don``t believe it by now even though there is plenty of talk of the issue on worldwide news/media.
That's quite the reaction to people disagreeing with you.
I guess you don`t remember one of the members on here from the usual politics group openly posting he wished death to a certain politician and anyone who supports him as a response to a different viewpoint. That ridiculous post was supported with likes from some of the other faces involved so i think i will stick to my opinion that they are a cult .
 
I doubt i`m going to convince you of it if you don``t believe it by now even though there is plenty of talk of the issue on worldwide news/media.
It's not about convincing me, it's about discussion and trying to see someone else's point of view. I'm happy change my mind when new information comes to light. I didn't want to read 20 articles or toxic comment sections, I wanted to hear what you yourself thought.
I guess you don`t remember one of the members on here from the usual politics group openly posting he wished death to a certain politician and anyone who supports him as a response to a different viewpoint. That ridiculous post was supported with likes from some of the other faces involved so i think i will stick to my opinion that they are a cult .
Don't recall, no. If there's a clique (there's not) then I'm not in it. I like a post if I agree with it or appreciate it, not because I'm on anyone's side. Just so happens that I tend to agree with people who hate war and corruption and racism and a slew of phobias, shit like that.
 
Don't recall, no. If there's a clique (there's not) then I'm not in it. I like a post if I agree with it or appreciate it, not because I'm on anyone's side. Just so happens that I tend to agree with people who hate war and corruption and racism and a slew of phobias, shit like that.
There is a clique but that`s nothing new on a forum and i never thought you were in it, you actually appear to have a sense of humour which is sadly lacking on here generally.

I had hoped to talk Maiden with like minded people most of the time but then it became apparent i actually like them, think Bruce is a bit of legend on the frontman front and it turns out most people think he`s a c..t and Maiden are past it so no luck there either :bigsmile:
 
I doubt i`m going to convince you of it if you don``t believe it by now even though there is plenty of talk of the issue on worldwide news/media.
In other words: You come in here, throw a tantrum, attack others, and once pressed to defend your positions you are unable and you try to avoid doing so. Typical behaviour really.

I guess you don`t remember one of the members on here from the usual politics group openly posting he wished death to a certain politician and anyone who supports him as a response to a different viewpoint. That ridiculous post was supported with likes from some of the other faces involved so i think i will stick to my opinion that they are a cult .
First you compare a situation where one individual murdered another and the police fucked up, with another where a policeman murdered a civilian. Now you are comparing someone posting an angry comment about a politician with you accusing members of the forum and attacking them. You're not that good with that whole "comparing things" thing, are you? :D

Go and mention specific members. Quote specific posts if you wanna discuss them. No need for this cowardly nonsense. Or you can try engaging with factual analysis instead of attacking those you cannot prove wrong.
 
you actually appear to have a sense of humour which is sadly lacking on here generally.
I'm totally a funny cunt, all my friends say so.
I had hoped to talk Maiden with like minded people most of the time but then it became apparent i actually like them, think Bruce is a bit of legend on the frontman front and it turns out most people think he`s a c..t and Maiden are past it so no luck there either :bigsmile:
Maiden rock like fuck and Bruce is fantastic, on this we agree, haaaard :rocker:
 
According to Google, this post appears to be legitimate. If that’s the case, then there are clearly some problems in the UK.

It is important now that the content of this training is revealed, we already know that guidance released by the National Police Chiefs' Council explicitly advises police to treat people differently based on their race in order to pursue equity rather than equality.

On an anecdotal basis I have a relative who works for the fire service, who happens to be a progressive and a socialist, who underwent some workplace training of this sort and was quite shocked when it turned out to basically be an activist berating all the white men in the room for being subconsciously racist and having attained their positions as a result of white privilege.

In any case there is something deeply rotten within the policing system here that has inverted the perspective of these officers such that an accusation of racism led them to treat the murderer as victim and the victim as offender.
 
It's funny that you claim this, given that, according to Google, Politics UK is not a legitimate or reliable news source and is run by Reform.
Next we're gonna find out that people blindly swallowing all the shit they see on Twitter uncritically, never take the time to actually fact check anything, and then go and concern troll in a forum is one of the reasons why those narratives are so effective with people who put their feelings over facts. I'm so utterly shocked.
 
Next we're gonna find out that people blindly swallowing all the shit they see on Twitter uncritically, never take the time to actually fact check anything, and then go and concern troll in a forum is one of the reasons why those narratives are so effective with people who put their feelings over facts. I'm so utterly shocked.
The account is a news aggregator, it typically provides a link to the source of the news story in a reply to each tweet. The google AI screenshot posted above did not provide this information, but it is quite obvious if you visit the account in question. In this case the story was reported in The Times:
 
The account is a news aggregator, it typically provides a link to the source of the news story in a reply to each tweet. The google AI screenshot posted above did not provide this information, but it is quite obvious if you visit the account in question. In this case the story was reported in The Times:
Can't read the article without a subscription. The opening right after the headline is:

"A staff survey found one in seven felt ‘controlled to feel certain ways’ by mandatory training, as a minister admits equality guidance is ‘slightly clumsy’"

Or in other words, six in seven didn't feel that way. Not all sources of a news story are equal. You can frame events in certain ways to paint the picture you want. We see manipulations like that all the time. Furthermore, them being a news aggregator doesn't absolve them of possible journalist misconduct. They claim to be impartial, yet have a clear right-wing bias. It is important to examine which sources people use as their primary news diet on political matters.

None of that changes the fact, that many people nowadays uncritically believe all the shit they see on social media. Often the sensationalist headline does not align with what's written in the source. Or worse, a grifter on Twitter or similar platforms makes false claims that are not supported by the article because they know that their target audience never actually clicks on the links to read them. It's not about facts. It's not about what happened. It's about stoking the flames and pushing certain narratives.
 
It's funny that you claim this, given that, according to Google, Politics UK is not a legitimate or reliable news source and is run by Reform. View attachment 46496

I just saw this tweet. Admittedly, I know nothing about the account that posted it, ‘Politics UK.’ I simply copied the text into Google, and the results suggested that it was at least broadly accurate. The article appeared to trace back to The Telegraph—is that considered a mainstream and reputable newspaper in the UK?

In any case, I don’t support Reform. I just accepted Google’s assessment that the tweet was legitimate.

How do you know how they were pressured to feel from that tweet? They could well have been misogynist bigots who suddenly were exposed to a completely different reality...
This tweet was posted in the context of the latest controversy. I then proceeded to deduce the existence of ‘problems’ in the UK in the finest Sherlock Holmes tradition—possibly with considerably less evidence. :)
 
Next we're gonna find out that people blindly swallowing all the shit they see on Twitter uncritically, never take the time to actually fact check anything, and then go and concern troll in a forum is one of the reasons why those narratives are so effective with people who put their feelings over facts. I'm so utterly shocked.

Yeah, sure. At least I’m capable of admitting when I’m wrong. But asking questions is healthy—and necessary—if you want to identify problems in a broader sense.

Unlike some people who still insist that everything is fine, which is clearly not the case.
 
Yeah, sure. At least I’m capable of admitting when I’m wrong. But asking questions is healthy—and necessary—if you want to identify problems in a broader sense.

Unlike some people who still insist that everything is fine, which is clearly not the case.
I can admit when I'm wrong as well. Asking genuine questions and engaging with the answers is healthy. Concern trolling isn't. Saying "hey, this might be misinformation but I'm sharing it anyway and let y'all discuss it, instead of taking 5 minutes to verify it and then adding my own commentary" doesn't absolve you of the many times when you unironically shared blatant propaganda and pretended it was valuable discourse.

Has anyone in this thread insisted that "everything is fine"? Be specific. Quote those posts.
 
This tweet was posted in the context of the latest controversy. I then proceeded to deduce the existence of ‘problems’ in the UK in the finest Sherlock Holmes tradition—possibly with considerably less evidence. :)
With regards to problems in the UK, not directly relating to this story but you have expressed curiosity about the state of things, all I can say from my own experience is that I have been to cities in Lithuania, Poland and the Czech Republic in the last 12 months or so and all of them felt  significantly safer, cleaner, more orderly and more pleasant to visit than London, to a somewhat depressing extent quite frankly. Take from that what you will.

However much, even most, of the UK is still very nice and is not experiencing the dystopian conditions that some, particularly US MAGA commentators, like to portray.
 
We can take a look at broader statistics:


"The number of knife or sharp instrument homicides has decreased by a fifth (21%) from 261 to 205 victims in YE March 2025 compared with the previous year; this was the lowest number recorded since YE March 2015 when 186 offences were recorded."

"The largest decrease was among those aged 16 to 24 years, who saw a 41% decrease from 106 to 63 offences. The largest increase was seen for victims aged 75 years and older, which more than doubled (from 27 to 57 victims). Trends by age group can fluctuate because of low numbers."
"There were 34 homicides in YE March 2025 where the victim was a teenager (aged 13 to 19 years), almost half the number (66) recorded the previous year and the lowest recorded since YE March 2013 (31). This decrease reflected a decline in sharp instrument homicides, from 54 to 22 offences."
"Accounting for different population sizes, those from the Black ethnic group had the highest rates of victimisation (Appendix table 7). In the three years to YE March 2025, average rates per million population were over four times higher for Black people (36.8 per million population) than those from the White ethnic group (7.7), and over three times higher than for Asians (10.6)."


Or, if we wanna talk police, how about we talk about Sarah Everard?


She was kidnapped, raped and strangled by a police officer who then burned her body before disposing the remains.

But I guess those stats and stories are not interesting, since they can't be used to stoke the flames of race wars.
 
I can admit when I'm wrong as well. Asking genuine questions and engaging with the answers is healthy. Concern trolling isn't. Saying "hey, this might be misinformation but I'm sharing it anyway and let y'all discuss it, instead of taking 5 minutes to verify it and then adding my own commentary" doesn't absolve you of the many times when you unironically shared blatant propaganda and pretended it was valuable discourse.

Has anyone in this thread insisted that "everything is fine"? Be specific. Quote those posts.

Don’t tell me what to do, man. I’m not going to engage any further, nor am I going to spend time digging up facts or answers, simply because you completely ignoring my other posts and only show up to play forum policeman.*

By writing this, I fully realize I’m handing you ammunition for the usual ‘yet another person who can’t provide facts to support his position’ speech. Bla, bla, bla.

But that doesn’t make you the winner of the argument.

*Of course, you’re perfectly entitled to ignore me. But I’m equally entitled to ignore what I see as your selective focus on particular topics while overlooking others.
 
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