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Vaenyr said:
Oh come one, this is disingenuous and you know it. We know you have an axe to grind with Nomadd, but it is absolutely true that Ozzy and Black Sabbath are much better known in the mainstream than Maiden. Just look how non-metalheads reacted to Ozzy's death. I can guarantee you that if Bruce or Steve died instead, the reaction wouldn't have reached the same levels.

You can make fun of many of the takes without having to twist the words and built strawmen when Nomadd ends up making a valid point.
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Exactly!
 
Vaenyr said:
Oh come one, this is disingenuous and you know it. We know you have an axe to grind with Nomadd, but it is absolutely true that Ozzy and Black Sabbath are much better known in the mainstream than Maiden. Just look how non-metalheads reacted to Ozzy's death. I can guarantee you that if Bruce or Steve died instead, the reaction wouldn't have reached the same levels.

You can make fun of many of the takes without having to twist the words and built strawmen when Nomadd ends up making a valid point.
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Hold on now, this is verging on absolute nonsense.

Nomadds original post suggested that Maiden weren't as big/popular/legendary as Sabbath/Ozzy because Rod didn't learn from Sabbath/Ozzys managment.

That's utter nonsense, Sabbath and Ozzys place in the world is what it is, the music, the times, the fact that Ozzy was a very public figure and a lunatic at that. The fact that they are more known or revered by more people than Maiden has fuck all to do with decisions made by Roderick Smallwood, as Nomadd suggested.

You call Shadows response disingenuous. It was heavily sarcastic. Genuine sarcasm, in my reading of it.

We all know that Sabbath and Ozzy are better known/loved than Maiden in terms of the mainstream or non metalhead population or pure numbers or whatever. Suggesting that's Maidens managements 'fault' or defending that stance is beyond ridiculous.
 
Cat Milk Supreme said:
Hold on now, this is verging on absolute nonsense.

Nomadds original post suggested that Maiden weren't as big/popular/legendary as Sabbath/Ozzy because Rod didn't learn from Sabbath/Ozzys managment.

That's utter nonsense, Sabbath and Ozzys place in the world is what it is, the music, the times, the fact that Ozzy was a very public figure and a lunatic at that. The fact that they are more known or revered by more people than Maiden has fuck all to do with decisions made by Roderick Smallwood, as Nomadd suggested.

You call Shadows response disingenuous. It was heavily sarcastic. Genuine sarcasm, in my reading of it.

We all know that Sabbath and Ozzy are better known/loved than Maiden in terms of the mainstream or non metalhead population or pure numbers or whatever. Suggesting that's Maidens managements 'fault' or defending that stance is beyond ridiculous.
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That was not all that Nomadd said. I obviously don't agree with the claims about Rod, but it's also true that Sharon played a big role for Ozzy for the last 30 or so years.

The posts I quoted of Shadow did not talk about Rod or Sharon, they strawmanned Nomadd's position about Maiden's fame and popularity. I have no issue with people calling each other out (he said, right after calling Shadow out lol) but I also think you can do that by engaging with the position, not by mocking a weird strawman of it.
 
Vaenyr said:
Oh come one, this is disingenuous and you know it. We know you have an axe to grind with Nomadd, but it is absolutely true that Ozzy and Black Sabbath are much better known in the mainstream than Maiden. Just look how non-metalheads reacted to Ozzy's death. I can guarantee you that if Bruce or Steve died instead, the reaction wouldn't have reached the same levels.

You can make fun of many of the takes without having to twist the words and built strawmen when Nomadd ends up making a valid point.
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Ozzy? Maybe. Still, Maiden have always been way more popular than him.
Sabbath? Not a chance.
 
Vaenyr said:
That was not all that Nomadd said. I obviously don't agree with the claims about Rod, but it's also true that Sharon played a big role for Ozzy for the last 30 or so years.

The posts I quoted of Shadow did not talk about Rod or Sharon, they strawmanned Nomadd's position about Maiden's fame and popularity. I have no issue with people calling each other out (he said, right after calling Shadow out lol) but I also think you can do that by engaging with the position, not by mocking a weird strawman of it.
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Nomadd said this which led to the posts of Shadows that you called out...

"Yeah, but in the mainstream media, Sabbs, and particularly Ozzy, are music legends with tons and tons of accolades, one after another. I wouldn't be surprised if Ozzy were awarded with posthumously Nobel Prize or Olympic Medal :) All happens, thank for the management aka Sharon."

So I think my point stands. Anyway, let's not bicker my lovely, let's just agree that I'm right.
 
ShadowOfTheGods said:
Ozzy? Maybe. Still, Maiden have always been way more popular than him.
Sabbath? Not a chance.
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Not talking about their music. Sabbath is absolutely more well known in the mainstream than Maiden. As in, more people have heard the name "Black Sabbath" at some point in their lives, than "Iron Maiden". Iron Man and Paranoid, among other songs, have been in multiple movies and TV shows over the years. If we wanna talk Spotifiy, Paranoid (the song) has over one-and-a-half billion streams. Maiden's top streamed song is The Trooper with 590 million. In other words, Paranoid has more than 2.5 times the streams of The Trooper.

We all love Maiden here, but you're delusional if you think they are better known than Black Fucking Sabbath. You were so eager to dunk on Nomadd, that you apparently slipped into a bizarre parallel universe where facts don't matter anymore.
 
Vaenyr said:
Not talking about their music. Sabbath is absolutely more well known in the mainstream than Maiden. As in, more people have heard the name "Black Sabbath" at some point in their lives, than "Iron Maiden". Iron Man and Paranoid, among other songs, have been in multiple movies and TV shows over the years. If we wanna talk Spotifiy, Paranoid (the song) has over one-and-a-half billion streams. Maiden's top streamed song is The Trooper with 590 million. In other words, Paranoid has more than 2.5 times the streams of The Trooper.

We all love Maiden here, but you're delusional if you think they are better known than Black Fucking Sabbath. You were so eager to dunk on Nomadd, that you apparently slipped into a bizarre parallel universe where facts don't matter anymore.
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In the mainstream audience - yes, Maiden has never care about that, just compare record sales, merch sales, and ticket sales (tours). Honestly, Maiden is way over the Sabbath. Most people just know Paranoid and Ozzy from his tricks, addictions, and Celebrity TV. At the end of the day amount of tickets sold speaks.
 
Nomadd said:
Exactly, and there's not so high a demand to add dates to the 88 shows booked so far.
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And just a day or two later….. another date is added.

Perhaps it is time for you to stop with all the doomsday rhetoric about how poor ticket sales are etc.
You clearly do not know anything bout the touring industry and your unfounded speculation is just noise.

I suggest a period of quiet, (very quiet) self reflection.
 
BQOBD said:
And just a day or two later….. another date is added.

Perhaps it is time for you to stop with all the doomsday rhetoric about how poor ticket sales are etc.
You clearly do not know anything bout the touring industry and your unfounded speculation is just noise.

I suggest a period of quiet, (very quiet) self reflection.
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OK, it's just debating and conversation.
 
Nomadd said:
OK, it's just debating and conversation.
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But it is not healthy debate, is it?

You are constantly speculating terrible sales for Maiden, telling everyone that they risk having to downgrade their venue size or play to half empty venues…..and then literally days later we find Maiden adding dates and you say nothing, you just move on to your next dooms day ranting without acknowledging how wrong you have been.

That is not a debate, it is someone with an obsession ranting and raving for some reason. Did Rod not give you a job or something?

A sensible debate would be more grounded in reality - like wondering why Maiden think they could fill Knebworth in 2026 when they couldn’t sell out Twickenham in 2025.

But there is no nuance with you…..it is always doom and gloom and you are so often spectacularly wrong.
 
In other news, I have a notification saying that @BQOBD quoted my post in this thread but I don't see no quote, oh my.

Anyway, what news of Lima sales? I was able to buy a front area standing ticket a few days ago. Usually this is the first area to sell out. I'm surprised. Not scared, just surprised.
 
Cat Milk Supreme said:
In other news, I have a notification saying that @BQOBD quoted my post in this thread but I don't see no quote, oh my.

Anyway, what news of Lima sales? I was able to buy a front area standing ticket a few days ago. Usually this is the first area to sell out. I'm surprised. Not scared, just surprised.
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Promoters aren't expecting a sold out, but it should be their biggest show in the country.
Right now sales are basically non-existing, but I'm sure it's one of those markets where they pick up closer to show day
 
Here in South America, while 'Ozzy' is a bigger name for non-metalheads, I think Maiden draw bigger crowds than Sabbath/Ozzy. I would say southeastern europe is similar. I also think that, at least in Brazil, the brand 'Iron Maiden' is bigger than 'Black Sabbath'. It's just that Ozzy is Ozzy and everyone knows him, which isn't the case at all for Steve and Bruce.
 
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