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Jer said:
Yep. Trump is awful, but he got the hostages out for Israel and helped to get the right countries together to potentially rebuild Gaza for the better, and he deserves to be praised for that.
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Yes, the Trump administration hopefully didsomething real good here, unless it falls apart during the implementation or in the aftermath. But at the very least, the remaining hostages have been released along with a vast number of imprisoned palestinians.
 
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Yax said:
Yes, the Trump administration hopefully did probably did something real good here, unless it falls apart during the implementation or in the aftermath. But at the very least, the remaining hostages have been released along with a vast number of imprisoned palestinians.
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I'm not holding my breath. Trump lost every credibility as negotiator to my eyes after what happened with Iran last summer, keeping them looking elsewhere with negotiations while Israel performed /prepared decapitation strikes and IAEA conveniently issued a statement of non compliance one fucking day before the strikes.

I can't imagine how any state, any leader could seriously Trust USA /Trump for anything after that. Or the Venezuelan regime-change operation that is happening before our eyes? Seriously? Maduro head of drug cartel? Laughable if not utterly tragic. People in boats being bombed without trial? Total negligence of any sense of international law and Nobel prize to opposition as the cherry on top.
Allowing Israel bombing Hamas officials inside US ally Qatar during negotiation proceedings even killing a Qatari?
This is tragic stuff man, I don't know how anyone can trust Trump about anything in international scene anymore, less of all, Hamas.
 
While a peace deal is better than continuing the genocide it kinda seems to me that it's only come about because there's basically nothing left to bomb. Gaza is absolutely destroyed, nearly 70 thousand people killed. Isreal got what they wanted and don't seem to have conceded anything in this deal. They still don't want to recognise a Palestinian state from what I read.

We know from history how fragile these deals can be, someone will throw a rock at a wall and Benji will decide it justifies another year of carpet bombing.

All the while Trump is crying about not getting his Nobel prize, while he bombs boats and has masked goons grabbing people in the streets on a daily basis.
 
Trevoire said:
While a peace deal is better than continuing the genocide it kinda seems to me that it's only come about because there's basically nothing left to bomb. Gaza is absolutely destroyed, nearly 70 thousand people killed. Isreal got what they wanted and don't seem to have conceded anything in this deal. They still don't want to recognise a Palestinian state from what I read.

We know from history how fragile these deals can be, someone will throw a rock at a wall and Benji will decide it justifies another year of carpet bombing.

All the while Trump is crying about not getting his Nobel prize, while he bombs boats and has masked goons grabbing people in the streets on a daily basis.
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Exactly this. If Palestine has not been officially recognised or completely absorbed by Israel, this “peace deal” is only a ceasefire. It might last a decade, or a century, but there is no peace.
 
Given the history of ceasefires in this specific conflict and Israel's long history of violating ceasefire agreements I very much doubt that we'll get a decade of peace out of this. I wouldn't be surprised if it lasts less than a year.
 
Vaenyr said:
Given the history of ceasefires in this specific conflict and Israel's long history of violating ceasefire agreements I very much doubt that we'll get a decade of peace out of this. I wouldn't be surprised if it lasts less than a year.
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My guess is it fires up right around the time Trump needs to start declaring war to secure a third term. Just a hunch.
 
Spaldy said:
Praising Trump for this ceasefire is like thanking a serial killer for stopping stabbing you. His (and every previous) administration still facilitated the billions of $ in weapons that Israel used to wipe out nearly 100,000 civilians.
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I already saw a video online where hamas executed several Gaza civilians who were kneeling down—supposedly after the truce. Come on.
 
Spaldy said:
Praising Trump for this ceasefire is like thanking a serial killer for stopping stabbing you. His (and every previous) administration still facilitated the billions of $ in weapons that Israel used to wipe out nearly 100,000 civilians.
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Feel free to explain a realistic alternate scenario that would have freed all the hostages and ended the fighting without involving Trump, then.
 
This glazing of Trump is profoundly ignorant. This conflict didn't start on October 7th. Palestinians have been attacked, harassed and killed for decades by illegal Israeli occupants. And no, I'm not even talking about Gaza, I'm talking about the West Bank where the "they're secretly Hamas!" excuse has no hold.

Also, let's not forget that Bibi himself torpedoed previous deals that would've released the hostages because he wasn't done with bombing Gaza to smithereens.
 
Aggelos said:
Easy. Israel recognizes Palestinian state and releases the prisoners/hostages they have. Insant peace.
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Hilarious. You think the people who want to drive Israel into the sea would just shrug their shoulders and give back all the hostages if Israel unilaterally gave up? You have a shockingly high opinion of Hamas.

That’s also not a realistic scenario because after October 7 Israel would never allow Hamas to operate in an independent state on their immediate border. Try again.
 
Jer said:
Hilarious. You think the people who want to drive Israel into the sea would just shrug their shoulders and give back all the hostages if Israel unilaterally gave up? You have a shockingly high opinion of Hamas.

That’s also not a realistic scenario because after October 7 Israel would never allow Hamas to operate in an independent state on their immediate border. Try again.
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I won't. There's no way Israeli and MAGA lovers will see reason anyway.
 
Jer said:
That’s also not a realistic scenario because after October 7 Israel would never allow Hamas to operate in an independent state on their immediate border. Try again.
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It sounds as if you think that the Israeli state was happy for Palestine and Palestinians to exist pre October 7th 2023. They were not. And they will not be going forward.

Trump seems to have achieved something here but at what cost? I'm sure we will find out. The mans a fucking ghoul. His speech in the Knesset was sickening, as is much about the man.

Reports already of Israel shooting civilians since the ceasefire started. Bet not one of us is even remotely surprised by that.

Do I have a fully fledged solution for peace in the region? No. But as a start I think its imperative that the biggest cunt in the room takes its foot off the other guys throat.
 
Aggelos said:
I won't.
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Not surprising.

Aggelos said:
There's no way Israeli and MAGA lovers will see reason anyway.
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I’m neither of those things.

So, basically, you have no other answer, but you’re unable to walk and chew gum at the same time by acknowledging that Trump accomplished something here while still being a piece of shit overall.

This is actually a good litmus test for one’s own intellectual honesty. So far I’m not surprised by who’s failing the test.
 
Jer said:
Not surprising.


I’m neither of those things.

So, basically, you have no other answer, but you’re unable to walk and chew gum at the same time by acknowledging that Trump accomplished something here while still being a piece of shit overall.

This is actually a good litmus test for one’s own intellectual honesty. So far I’m not surprised by who’s failing the test.
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whatever you say boss...
 
Cat Milk Supreme said:
It sounds as if you think that the Israeli state was happy for Palestine and Palestinians to exist pre October 7th 2023. They were not. And they will not be going forward.
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Nope. Not happy, but at least more tolerant of the concept overall.

Cat Milk Supreme said:
The mans a fucking ghoul. His speech in the Knesset was sickening, as is much about the man.
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Yep.

Cat Milk Supreme said:
Reports already of Israel shooting civilians since the ceasefire started.
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And of Hamas rounding up and shooting non-loyalists. All the more reason to get third-party peacekeepers in there ASAP.

Cat Milk Supreme said:
Do I have a fully fledged solution for peace in the region? No. But as a start I think its imperative that the biggest cunt in the room takes its foot off the other guys throat.
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Now that the live hostages have all been returned, that becomes possible.
 
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