The third Blaze-sung Maiden album: lyrically a fusion of Silicon Messiah and BNW, but musically rooted in BNW?

That's not how I remember events. I do recall Steve (or Rod) apologising to fans who couldn't purchase a copy.
They were on CMC International in the U.S. per Discogs, and I can’t find any indication that the release date was any different. AI search summaries say simultaneous world release, though I couldn’t find anything specifically calling out the March 23, 1998 release date for the U.S. version.
 
Third album with blaze would make them play in small venues for decades for sure. And Blaze solo wasnt great,only the 2 or 3 first albums. Then he changed to blaze bayley i dont know what happened but now he has a small band that is his support act and play twice in the same night
Their popularity was rapidly declining the longer they continued down the path they were on. Performing in clubs promoting albums that barely dented the charts.

VXI wasn't even released in America because they were dropped by Capitol. A band of Maiden's calibre being let go by the record label? Unthinkable now but a reality then. Chances are EMI would have done the same had they put out another lacklustre album.

Nah, a third Blaze era album would have killed the band commercially.
In my opinion, Infinite Entanglement, Circle of Stone, and The Man Who Would Not Die are stronger albums than Blaze's first three releases. If your main reason for listening to artists is the size of the venues they play or commercial success, then perhaps Taylor Swift or Harry Styles would be more up your alley.
 
In my opinion, Infinite Entanglement, Circle of Stone, and The Man Who Would Not Die are stronger albums than Blaze's first three releases. If your main reason for listening to artists is the size of the venues they play or commercial success, then perhaps Taylor Swift or Harry Styles would be more up your alley.
I saw maiden in a smalln football stadium in the middle of spain and bruce in his best tour in a small venue for 800 people and many other powermetal bands in small venues that is not the reason. But maiden is different,no?
 
In my opinion, Infinite Entanglement, Circle of Stone, and The Man Who Would Not Die are stronger albums than Blaze's first three releases. If your main reason for listening to artists is the size of the venues they play or commercial success, then perhaps Taylor Swift or Harry Styles would be more up your alley.
You've completely misrepresented my post for starters.

My first Maiden gig was at the 1,700 capacity Glasgow Barrowlands club in 1998 on the VXI tour. I also just saw Blaze two weeks ago at the 400 capacity Ivory Blacks venue in Glasgow. I see Blaze on every tour in fact. What about you?

Secondly, I made no allusion to the quality of an artist vs the size of venue they perform in. The point (which I thought was quite obvious) was that Maiden went from stadiums to clubs in a few short years due to the poor quality of their albums, the downward trend in heavy metal and in particular, the absence of Bruce. This is an objective fact, ask any Maiden historian. For a band at their level and calibre, this was unsustainable. Maiden after all is a business and continuing down that path would lead to further loss in revenue. Sacking Blaze was as much, if more of a business decision than a creative one.

Lastly, there's no need for the condescending denouement. As a matter of fact, Taylor Swift and Harry Styles have some decent tunes and I'm not averse to listening to pop music because I'm not a music snob.
 
You've completely misrepresented my post for starters.

My first Maiden gig was at the 1,700 capacity Glasgow Barrowlands club in 1998 on the VXI tour. I also just saw Blaze two weeks ago at the 400 capacity Ivory Blacks venue in Glasgow. I see Blaze on every tour in fact. What about you?

Secondly, I made no allusion to the quality of an artist vs the size of venue they perform in. The point (which I thought was quite obvious) was that Maiden went from stadiums to clubs in a few short years due to the poor quality of their albums, the downward trend in heavy metal and in particular, the absence of Bruce. This is an objective fact, ask any Maiden historian. For a band at their level and calibre, this was unsustainable. Maiden after all is a business and continuing down that path would lead to further loss in revenue. Sacking Blaze was as much, if more of a business decision than a creative one.

Lastly, there's no need for the condescending denouement. As a matter of fact, Taylor Swift and Harry Styles have some decent tunes and I'm not averse to listening to pop music because I'm not a music snob.
Yeah me too blaze last year in a PUB.
 
Third album with blaze would make them play in small venues for decades for sure. And Blaze solo wasnt great,only the 2 or 3 first albums. Then he changed to blaze bayley i dont know what happened but now he has a small band that is his support act and play twice in the same night
He changed to Blaze Bayley after his entire original band left, and he had to get a new band. He rationalized the name change because he said people didn't know he was doing any new music under the rather vague Blaze name, and things improved after the name change for a while. There was also incompetent management at the time of The Man Who Would Not Die and Promise and Terror, and after that, he hit his lowest point with King of Metal, where he had no band whatsoever and hooked up with local bands in the area he was playing and had them backing him so he was only flying himself. And yep, several albums ago he got Absolva to write/record with him and back him live.

As for your first statement about a third album resulting in clubs...yeah, probably not too far off. They did some slightly bigger venues on the VXI Tour than on the X Factour, but I think it would've stayed about the same unless there was some sort of commercial breakthrough on that third album. Even if the third album was great, I don't think it would have changed much. Besides, Steve had decided Blaze was going to go anyway after the '98 tour. If Bruce didn't come back, he was ready to audition a new singer.
 
He changed to Blaze Bayley after his entire original band left, and he had to get a new band. He rationalized the name change because he said people didn't know he was doing any new music under the rather vague Blaze name, and things improved after the name change for a while. There was also incompetent management at the time of The Man Who Would Not Die and Promise and Terror, and after that, he hit his lowest point with King of Metal, where he had no band whatsoever and hooked up with local bands in the area he was playing and had them backing him so he was only flying himself. And yep, several albums ago he got Absolva to write/record with him and back him live.

As for your first statement about a third album resulting in clubs...yeah, probably not too far off. They did some slightly bigger venues on the VXI Tour than on the X Factour, but I think it would've stayed about the same unless there was some sort of commercial breakthrough on that third album. Even if the third album was great, I don't think it would have changed much. Besides, Steve had decided Blaze was going to go anyway after the '98 tour. If Bruce didn't come back, he was ready to audition a new singer.
I remember the first 2 albums were good. The show i saw was a bit sad. that the versions or the show were a bit "simple" in some songs
 
Blaze would have been out by the end of 98 regardless of whether or not Bruce came back.

Moving forward it would have been a third singer or maybe after being dropped from the record label they would have packed it in totally.

Blaze’s allergies cancelling shows, not being able to sing in tune live, mangling lyrics, not having the frontman experience necessary for a top tier band etc had all come to a head. Nicko throwing down the gauntlet with the soundboard tapes etc. It was over.
 
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Blaze would have been out by the end of 98 regardless of whether or not Bruce came back.

Moving forward it would have been a third singer or maybe after being dropped from the record label they would have packed it in totally.

Blaze’s allergies cancelling shows, not being able to sing in tune live, mangling lyrics, not having the frontman experience necessary for a top tier band etc had all come to a head. Nicko throwing down the gauntlet with the soundboard tapes etc. It was over.
What happened with nicko?
 
I remember the first 2 albums were good. The show i saw was a bit sad. that the versions or the show were a bit "simple" in some songs
The first three are pretty solid, I think. TMWWNT had some good stuff, and some filler. I cannot for the life of me get into anything on Promise and Terror, but others love it. King of Metal, like I said, was the low point. Since hooking up with Absolva, it's been good, but not as consistently good songwriting-wise as that first lineup. And yeah, Absolva's not musically brilliant, they're...fine. Still, hooking up with them was probably the best thing that could've realistically happened to him at this late stage in his career.

Live, haven't seen them since they're touring pretty conservatively by not venturing too far out from home base. But if you want to see sad, that was the show I saw in St. Paul Minnesota in a tiny venue with maybe 25 people in the crowd. He performed his ass off, though, so props to him for that.
 
What happened with nicko?
The story is, Nicko went to Steve with some soundboard tapes near the end of the tour, and basically showed him how well (or not) Blaze was singing. Steve notoriously doesn't have the best hearing, so I imagine Nicko played it for him assuming Steve thought everything was fine live. If I had to guess, Nick was probably fed up with the direction with Blaze--maybe playing to smaller crowds, getting bad reviews, etc.--and wanted a change.

Speculate all you want if there's any connection from the above to Nick's sort of half-assed complexity in his drumming on Virtual XI. Possible he didn't want to make the effort in a direction he didn't believe in that far back.
 
The story is, Nicko went to Steve with some soundboard tapes near the end of the tour, and basically showed him how well (or not) Blaze was singing. Steve notoriously doesn't have the best hearing, so I imagine Nicko played it for him assuming Steve thought everything was fine live. If I had to guess, Nick was probably fed up with the direction with Blaze--maybe playing to smaller crowds, getting bad reviews, etc.--and wanted a change.

Speculate all you want if there's any connection from the above to Nick's sort of half-assed complexity in his drumming on Virtual XI. Possible he didn't want to make the effort in a direction he didn't believe in that far back.

And the ultra fast drumming during tour 98. Check curitiba 98 is insane
 
Changing his solo project name from just BLAZE to Blaze Bayley was the right call I think.

Absolva are fine. I really like the studio albums they've made with Blaze so I really appreciate them for helping save Blazes career and do some good work.

Live I think they are okay. The drummer is ridiculously limited to the extent that Sign of The Cross and tunes like that sound a bit primitive compared to Blazes other line ups and Maiden.
 
Changing his solo project name from just BLAZE to Blaze Bayley was the right call I think.

Absolva are fine. I really like the studio albums they've made with Blaze so I really appreciate them for helping save Blazes career and do some good work.

Live I think they are okay. The drummer is ridiculously limited to the extent that Sign of The Cross and tunes like that sound a bit primitive compared to Blazes other line ups and Maiden.
Thats what i felt. The versions were a bit simple. Some of them, becasuse the clansman sounded great i remember
 
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