USA Politics

MrKnickerbocker said:
(this is not my idea, but I'll throw it out there for folks to weigh in on)

Proposal to remove political discussions from this forum.

This is an Iron Maiden forum and, though off-topic discussions should be encouraged, I do not think that there is anything positive coming from these threads. No one is learning, no one is being graceful - we're all just mad and feeling attacked.

The only outcome of these threads existing is that people are leaving the forum (including moderators). This result is the exact opposite goal of a forum: to bring people together to engage in discourse.
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I agree with it.

I've been on forums of all types, been a mod on one for years, since forums have been a thing. and they all tend to go the same way over time, fixation with the negative toxic issues drive sound people off over time.

Re: @Azas point about silencing political threads, it's not silencing anyones opinions, it's when people have made their point but can't stop making it again, and again, and again so that nothing else ever get's discussed.
 
Regardless of what the decision ends up being, might as well post some news until then:



Also, so much for letting people decide for themselves:

www.statnews.com

FDA will limit Covid vaccines to people over 65 or at high risk of serious illness, leaders say

The FDA announced it will limit access to Covid-19 vaccines going forward to people 65 and older and others at high risk of serious illness
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Nothing too cool had happened since the nationally televised buck breaking of that weird european dude, but hearing Trump actually talk about those white farmers they’ve been killing over there was one of those moments again. Obviously, making liberals upset was goal numero uno with getting out to vote, but with the ukraine guy buck breaking and now this, I mean I knew I voted for some shenanigans but even I’m surprised with how much he’s getting away with.

He’s been pushing pretty hard on Israel with the tariffs and the whole genocide thing. I hear they’re blowing kids to smithereens over there. I mean it’s awful. If he makes em too mad though I’m afraid they’re gonna do something to him for real and it won’t be a weird transgender false flag type deal like that summer thing was. If I was his advisor I’d tell him to reel it in a bit for his own safety. Me personally, well I guess I shouldn’t actually type out my feelings on israel on a forum I don’t want to get banned from.
 
As a general note for all politics threads, we would like to keep politics talks confined to these threads. So for example, please don't bring American politics to the Iced Earth thread or British politics to the Bruce thread. If you want to talk about Schaffer's politics for instance, do it in this thread instead.

I would like to emphasise the fact that I will no longer in any shape or form, as a member or as a moderator, be involved in any politics related threads on this forum. As a moderator, I consider these threads outside my scope - if anyone feels action is required, there are four other moderators to contact - and as a member, I have no further interest in participating. So in case my activity here has been a deterrent for anyone to involve themselves in these threads, this activity is now over.
 
Ted Cruz literally admitted to the US supporting Israel’s attacks right now to Tucker Carlson.

Absolutely insane world we live in now where Tucker fucking Carlson is breaking anti-Trump news.
 
Tucker has principles -unlike Trump. To say I’m disappointed in the latter would be a vast understatement. Trump is performing far worse than he did in his first term, when he was supposedly a victim of the deep state. Now, despite his “experience” and a campaign platform centered on peace, he’s leading us straight toward nuclear war.

His handling of Iran is utterly disgraceful -worse than mafia tactics- and his childish foreign policy via Truth Social is embarrassing. I wouldn’t be surprised if, further down the road, he finds a convenient excuse related to the War and cancel the elections to become a full-blown dictator. In any case, MAGA is probably already dead.

That said, none of this washes Joe Biden, and I don’t regret having placed my hopes in Trump. The Democrats deserved a hard lesson for their warmongering, but they don’t need a Trump-like figure to resurrect them -Trump is doing that himself, just fine.

@Detective Beauregard
 
Gotta say, anyone who is genuinely surprised by what is happening right now was willfully ignorant for literal years, to the point of malice. We've been warning Trump supporters about everything that's been happening, but they all fell on deaf ears. It takes an impressive amount of political apathy or propaganda to be surprised by Trump's actions. He explicitly told what he'd be doing and now his supporters get to reap what they've sown.

Also, Tucker has no principles whatsoever. He's paid by Russia, Rafael Cruz (gotta use his real name) is paid by Israel. That's the only difference between them. They are both despicable human beings.
 
It's more complicated than that, the system is broken. One can only choose between two candidates, Biden completely fucked up and put repeatedly at risk world peace so you choose whom? Naturally the one that in his previous term didn't start any war and now campaigning on a peace platform.

And no, Trump didn't told us all these, he was elected on a peace platform that's why Tucker, and other MAGA are turning on him now. The only thing we kind of knew is that he would be bad for Gaza. Would I support Biden now that I know all those? I don't think so. Not because I like Trump but because I find him lesser evil for the world than Biden. But give me a solid, pro peace candidate, no matter party and I pick him over Trump any time.
 
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It's more complicated than that, the system is broken. One can only choose between two candidates, Biden completely fucked up and put repeatedly at risk world peace so you choose whom? Naturally the one that in his previous term didn't start any war and now campaigning on a peace platform.

And no, Trump didn't told us all these, he was elected on a peace platform that's why Tucker, and other MAGA are turning on him now. The only thing we kind of knew is that he would be bad for Gaza. Would I support Biden now that I know all those? I don't think so. Not because I like Trump but because I find him lesser evil for the world than Biden. But give me a solid, pro peace candidate, no matter party and I pick him over Trump any time.
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Im gonna respond to this later so that Vaenyr can chill out to avoid being public enemy no.1 like usual.
 
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No Knicker, historically Democrats are worse war mongers than GOP. It’s just that they operate in a more media-friendly, politically correct way.
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At worst, they're exactly the same. But just look at recently:

Who waged the first Iraq war? HW. Bush.
Who invaded Panama? HW. Bush
Who waged the 2nd Iraq war? W. Bush.
Who waged the invasion of Afghanistan? W. Bush.

Who ended the 2nd war in Iraq? Obama.
Who kept American troops out of combat in Ukraine and Gaza for 4 years? Biden.

Who refused to rule out military force against Greenland, threatened to take the Panama Canal, picked fights with Canada and Mexico, openly endorsed colonizing Gaza within the span of a month and is certainly backing Israel's fresh bombings of Iran? Trump.

So, in recent history at least, your statement is false.

I anxiously await the responses about how the wars inherited by Obama were somehow Obama's fault and how the wars started overseas during Biden's term were definitely due to shady political maneuvering orchestrated by Biden... :innocent:
 
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Nope. As said Democrats operate differently, so you haven't mentioned any of the conflicts which Obama was involved but not attributed to him:
Libya, expansion of drones strikes in various places, like Pakistan, Somalia etc., Syria, Yemen. Also in many ways the war in Ukraine started under Obama with Maidan revolution /regime change with US was visibly involved. As of Clinton, you didn't mention the bombardment of Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo etc., Sudan bombings and more.

Anyway, the sad truth is that there is continuity of agenda, whatever Trump's doing or Obama did with Iran has been laid down since 2009, the warmongers are in both parties, and they appear to always get it their way in the end. It's just that Democrats' rhetoric for freedom and democracy etc., can be easier exploited to make military operations look better and that's why Democratic party appears to be more war mongers.

 
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Nope. As said Democrats operate differently, so you haven't mentioned any of the conflicts which Obama was involved but not attributed to him:
Libya, expansion of drones strikes in various places, like Pakistan, Somalia etc., Syria, Yemen. Also in many ways the war in Ukraine started under Obama with Maidan revolution /regime change with US was visibly involved. As of Clinton, you didn't mention the bombardment of Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo etc., Sudan bombings and more.

Anyway, the sad truth is that there is continuity of agenda, whatever Trump's doing or Obama did with Iran has been laid down since 2009, the warmongers are in both parties, and they appear to always get it their way in the end. It's just that Democrats' rhetoric for freedom and democracy etc., can be easier exploited to make military operations look better and that's why Democratic party appears to be more war mongers.

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I have seen a phrase going around the last few days along the lines of: 'Whoever you vote for, you get John McCain's foreign policy', sadly it seems to be broadly true.
 
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I have seen a phrase going around the last few days along the lines of: 'Whoever you vote for, you get John McCain's foreign policy', sadly it seems to be broadly true.
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Yes something like that. At least since after Reagan. It would have been the same even under Sanders. Trump appeared to be different due to MAGA which he is now killing. I certainly liked its populist focus and the anti-forever wars side of it.
 
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