USA Politics
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MrKnickerbocker
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Not looking forward to the vote coming up. What a special Fourth of July this will be. I can't wait to celebrate America on the day after Republicans rape our country again.
Jer
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MrKnickerbocker
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MrKnickerbocker
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It passed.
I guess the bright side is that a bunch of Trump supporters won’t be alive to support him much longer?
I guess the bright side is that a bunch of Trump supporters won’t be alive to support him much longer?
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
It's "cutting off their nose to spite their face" all over again.
If this would result in his supporters, who will suffer immensely from this, actually learning a lesson and adjusting accordingly in the future there would be some silver lining to this. But as we've seen time and time again they are hell bent on fucking up their own lives and everyone else's around them as well.
Rough times ahead.
If this would result in his supporters, who will suffer immensely from this, actually learning a lesson and adjusting accordingly in the future there would be some silver lining to this. But as we've seen time and time again they are hell bent on fucking up their own lives and everyone else's around them as well.
Rough times ahead.
I read a comment that I think is prescient: a lot of people are about to find out that the health insurance they get through the Obamacare exchange for $33 a month is actually Medicaid.
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
That's the thing with right wing populism. It promises easy and simple solutions to complex problems. Trump promised to lower prices. How is he gonna do that? Doesn't matter! He said he'll lower them, that's enough!
Far too many people fall for these lies and tactics. No amount of warning them about the consequences to come will convince them otherwise. They made up their mind. Things suck currently and this candidate promises change. Never mind that whenever any of these populists come to power things become even worse and all warnings turn true. It's a vicious cycle at this point.
Far too many people fall for these lies and tactics. No amount of warning them about the consequences to come will convince them otherwise. They made up their mind. Things suck currently and this candidate promises change. Never mind that whenever any of these populists come to power things become even worse and all warnings turn true. It's a vicious cycle at this point.
Aggelos
Ancient Mariner
Agree. And the cycle is fuelled by the inability and unwillingness of "progressives" to change anything for the better when they come to power. The only part where they have a positive impact is on society, but the economy is rulled by corporations and lobies, and has been for far too long now. They are so established that I do not believe anymore they can, or want, to change anything for the better.
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
That's the funny thing with Mamdani in New York. And with "funny" I mean frustrating and expected.
He ran a campaign with solid economic ideas. Things that have worked in different other cities in America, nothing too outlandish. But because he's a Democratic Socialist he's painted as the second coming of Stalin or something. It's expected that conservatives would fear monger about him, but to see some of the Dems give interviews tearing Mamdani down and outright slandering him, despite his campaign being a great blueprint to win back voters, is incredibly annoying.
Ever since the election the Dems have had an identity crisis. Some of them want to move further to the right, forsaking any progressive ideals and become a lite version of the GOP. Mamdani shows that moving and staying left is a viable option. Listening to what the voters want and need is more important than throwing marginalized communites under the bus. I guess "vote blue, no matter who" only applies if the candidate is a moderate?
I'm really curious to see how all of this will play out in the coming months.
He ran a campaign with solid economic ideas. Things that have worked in different other cities in America, nothing too outlandish. But because he's a Democratic Socialist he's painted as the second coming of Stalin or something. It's expected that conservatives would fear monger about him, but to see some of the Dems give interviews tearing Mamdani down and outright slandering him, despite his campaign being a great blueprint to win back voters, is incredibly annoying.
Ever since the election the Dems have had an identity crisis. Some of them want to move further to the right, forsaking any progressive ideals and become a lite version of the GOP. Mamdani shows that moving and staying left is a viable option. Listening to what the voters want and need is more important than throwing marginalized communites under the bus. I guess "vote blue, no matter who" only applies if the candidate is a moderate?
I'm really curious to see how all of this will play out in the coming months.
Probs best in the UK politics threads, but yes. Anything left of centre is so out of fashion that no major party will subscribe to it
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
I've mentioned this before, but there have been countless polls where people in the US were asked their opinion on various policies. The left wing policies were popular across the board, regardless of political affiliation.
Once the interviewers explained which politicians or party was behind which policy the conservatives immediately did an 180 and suddenly hated the very same policies they enthusiastically cheered on a minute ago. It's not about policies and hasn't been for a long time. For many people it's purely team sports. While other countries aren't necessarily as bad about this as the US currently is, many of them are moving towards a similar situation.
Once the interviewers explained which politicians or party was behind which policy the conservatives immediately did an 180 and suddenly hated the very same policies they enthusiastically cheered on a minute ago. It's not about policies and hasn't been for a long time. For many people it's purely team sports. While other countries aren't necessarily as bad about this as the US currently is, many of them are moving towards a similar situation.
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
Rural clinic in Trump district shuts down as CEO cites Medicaid cuts
A rural clinic in a district Trump won by more than 50 points has been forced to shut down, with the CEO citing "cuts to Medicaid."
www.newsweek.com
We're going to see stuff like this a lot. A clinic will close down due to medicaid cuts, as per the CEO. This is in a district that Trump won by over 50 points.
Aggelos
Ancient Mariner
Rural clinic in Trump district shuts down as CEO cites Medicaid cuts
A rural clinic in a district Trump won by more than 50 points has been forced to shut down, with the CEO citing "cuts to Medicaid."
We're going to see stuff like this a lot. A clinic will close down due to medicaid cuts, as per the CEO. This is in a district that Trump won by over 50 points.
good. i am actually happy about this. i know it will affect others as well, but it is especially rewarding when it happens to those who voted for it.
Aggelos
Ancient Mariner
that is an interesting take. hadn't thought of it that way, but can't say it sounds wrong.