USA Politics

Part 2:

@Sheriff_of_Huddersfield

Nice: I don't know, mate, I didn't do anything to you, I think, so it's just really good to find an American with reasonable positions online. I wish the US more people like you (in general, not meaning you storming off, lol), it's probably the only way out for them.
Usually, when I approach an American online (apart from the Catholicism subreddit, which might be my favourite online community ever), I pre-emptively fear that he's gonna be either wokified newspeak spouter or hardcore "Jaysus died on the cross for my right to open carry" and "And on the third day, God created the Remington bolt-action rifle, so that Man could fight the dinosaurs. And the homersexuals."

It's refreshing when he's not.

I also think that you do show off certain patriotism and admiration for your country and I think that is a good thing as well. Too much in this post-modern world we tend to abhor any type of ideal and caring or even being proud about your country is often seemed as a serious no-no. I asked a German friend of mine whether he's proud of being a German and he said he would feel weird saying that and that he feels like people would definitely look at him weird for saying that. Understandable, but a bit unhealthy, methinks. My country also tends to be really self-deprecational, mostly, and I don't think it's exactly healthy.

I didn't read that from you and I think you're right. It might be in a bad place right now, but there's a lot of good stuff about America in the past and I suspect even in the present. Hey, my new pope is from there, and I'm really liking him.


Joke: you seem to be a bit on the touchy side, so take a pick.

"Hey, look at that, see that? A whole school of fish!" "Shhh, come on, this is America, the next thing you'll see is someone shooting the water."

"Sometimes I have sex with my father in an elevator. And it's wrong on so many levels."

"Do you know how to circumcise a Trumpet? Kick his sister in the teeth."

"Do you know how Americans find sheep in tall grass? Irresistible."

"Do you know how many babies you need to paint a barn? It depends on how hard you're throwing."

"Do you know why Catholic priests teach against condoms? Because these get stuck behind the altar servers' dental braces."

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(I have, like, two or three more that are really hilarious, but so edgy they would probably get me banned instantly, so if you want those, PM me once you come back)

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Sheriff_of_Huddersfield said:
I asked a mod who is not involved in this thread to close my account. This site should allow users to delete their own accounts but apparently doesn’t.
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I'll respect your decision, but please reconsider anyway.
 
@JudasMyGuide Yeah, while I’m out here jumping around, prancing, and probably doing a disservice to the cause—acting like a lit match—your posts come across as much more balanced, thought-out, and better argued. Which makes perfect sense, since you are the Young Pope, after all.

Also, I find it kind of telling that we’re both from the more freshly-arrived parts of Europe, and maybe that’s why we understand each other a bit better in some cases. Perhaps we’re not quite as... contaminated :ninja: by political correctness? (I feel like I’m already stepping into quicksand here.)
 
Part 3:

@Vaenyr

Nice: This is really hard for me, I admit, as you are AFAIK the only member I have on ignore, because I find you not just obnoxious, but insufferable to a degree my blood literally boils any time you get mentioned. There are some other forum members who are extremely wokified, yet I can find a common ground somewhere and can interact with them in peace (as long as they're not part of the mob and I feel like I'm standing against all), but not you, man. I don't know why.

So sorry if this comes across as a backhanded compliment of sorts or something, it is not meant that way. This is not throwing shade, btw, I'm really trying to somehow get there and genuinely say something nice to you.


I've deleted the following part, then put it back, then deleted again. A negative tangent, not meant in a bad or hostile way, merely explanatory, but negative still and rather personal, intimate even. Click at your own risk and don't @ me for things said there (but @Azas might find this somewhat aligning with what he posted now - I wrote it before reading that, however):
It's something of a vibe, I guess. The first time when I left this forum for a while was when I came across a thread reporting news where almost the entire membership back then got together and celebrated how some teenage kid managed to get euthanised somewhere. I was so filled with revulsion, I could not speak to people here for a while. Similarly, the third time I left was, yes, because I felt I was unfairly warned but also because around that time you were spouting insufferably arrogant and gleeful diatribes about how it is right and proper and just to transition kids and arguing (and pretty much laughing about) how no-one is for late-term elective abortion despite Dems legally codifying those in at least one state relatively recently, refusing any kind of limit or concession.

I just felt ... there's something undescribably sinister and evil there, something I need to avoid.
Progleft is all good and fine; I'm left and even somewhat "prog" in many ways myself - I took my wife's surname, btw, and I work as a labour lawyer, trying to protect the employees' rights, to prevent discrimination and so on. Also, for what is probably a "bigot" and a "homo/transphobe" to progleft eyes, I'd be the first to start hiding these people from persecution to ensure they wouldn't get harmed, even to the risk and detriment of my family and I fully embrace the various ways in which the Church is (and always was) progressive.
I'm an anti-capitalist, anti-racist, anti-copyright, environmentalist (although not always in the mainstream way, but I care about the environment very much) and so on.

But when it crosses a certain line, it gets really eerie and I can't help but agree with far-right in one thing, that woke is a virus.
I don't think it's intentional, I realise you might not mean it that way, but you emanate the feeling to me. I'm feeling a touch of ... something. Something sinister.

"I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies," the Psalmist says; rarely do I come across a person in "real" life (meaning meeting them myself, not just from the news) where I would realise that this person is my perfect enemy.

I'd argue that my problems with you are precisely because you matter. You are very intelligent, eloquent, I believe also well-read and despite all my intuition and feelings, I want to believe (and I do to degree) that you're meaning well. You're very active on the forum and ceaselessly debating, which shows determination and strength.

Despite me considering wokism to be an example of an unhealthy, disoriented virtue, it has its basis in actual virtues - virtue of justice combined with the virtue of compassion equal in the stress on egalitarianism, excessive, true but the idea itself is good. I can fault you for not balancing it with certain other aspects of morality, but I can't fault you for possessing those that you have. Your wish for change to (what you perceive as) better state of the world is also laudable.
Despite your obsession with "facts" and the way you use that and those, I suspect this shows there must be a desire to get closer to the Truth within you.

I suppose it's your convictions that make you so insufferable and it must be your strongly felt moral compass, wholly alien as it is to me, that makes you not back down and use any means necessary. I suppose it is exactly your obstinate, unwaveing bigotry that I respect and admire and that makes me hate you so much, because it clashes with mine. You and I have the same making of a suicide bomber, but aimed at completely different goals.

All of these are a plus for me, otherwise.

I feel deep sorrow that you are using such talent and competence to what I find to be extremely evil and sinister ends, ultimately. I feel deep regret that we're not able to find a common ground and that we have to butt heads even indirectly, as I may have you on ignore, but you seem determined to oust other people from these threads.

And for that matter, ignore list or not, I pray for you. And not just in that way "I pray for someone to change", that too, but precisely because you are one of the few people I come into contact with whom I'd consider my enemy, that gets me really riled up, and I'm training the muscle to love my enemies. Wishing them good. And also because you matter.

I'm not kidding or saying this lightly, I wish we could be friends. But we probably never will be. Can't be.


Joke (I hope you can take some banter and ball-breaking in stride): Careful about the Germans exporting their ideas and political opinions to other countries. The last time around it took storming Berlin to stop, I actually like your cities, it would be a pity having to see them blown to smithereens again. :ninja: I know, I know, old habits die hard, huh?

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Sheriff_of_Huddersfield said:
I asked a mod who is not involved in this thread to close my account. This site should allow users to delete their own accounts but apparently doesn’t.
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Don’t let the terrorists win. Seriously. The only way to introduce more sanity into the situation is to stick around and push back on the nonsense, rather than letting the loudest and most obnoxious voices in the room drown everyone else out.
 
Jer said:
www.nbcnews.com

Sen. Amy Klobuchar says Democrats would have been 'better served by a primary' in 2024

The Minnesota Democrat also didn't rule out running for president again.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

So when are we going to get some justice for Dean Phillips, who called for this back when it was still possible to have a full, open primary, and was willing to sacrifice his position in Democratic leadership to try to jump start that effort?
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Yeah, I think the majority of Democrats are in agreement that a proper primary would have been far more useful but the party couldn't see past the incumbent. I don't think anyone was ever super excited about Joe Biden (even before his Presidential term), so forcing him into the race and then dropping him was a massive failure on every level.
 
Vaenyr said:
never responded to
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Since you keep asking the same question again and again, even though it has been answered more than once but apparently you either can't get it or pretend you can't get it, whatever, here's a blunt answer I can give you, and I hate being blunt normally:

If you happened to be on the other side of the political spectrum, and behaving the way you do here, you would have been banned a long time ago.
Just like some other former members who were more fun to communicate with than you, and certainly less annoying than you.
Do you realise what you've done to this place?
 
Jer said:
Don’t let the terrorists win. Seriously. The only way to introduce more sanity into the situation is to stick around and push back on the nonsense, rather than letting the loudest and most obnoxious voices in the room drown everyone else out.
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Asking for sanity while calling those who disagree with you terrorists isn't helping your case.
 
Magnus said:
If you happened to be on the other side of the political spectrum, and behaving the way you do here, you would have been banned a long time ago.
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I can think of several right-wingers on here who regularly post disingenuous bollocks and have kept their stripes.
Magnus said:
Just like some other former members who were more fun to communicate with than you, and certainly less annoying than you.
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Who specifically has been banned from here that you refer to?
 
Spaldy said:
Asking for sanity while calling those who disagree with you terrorists isn't helping your case.
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If you don’t understand the humorous relationship between the phrase “don’t let the terrorists win” and U.S. politics, then perhaps you need to do some more research before commenting in this thread.

Also, even if you took it at face value, where did I say that all those who disagree with me are terrorists, rather than just referring to those (one in particular) who use socially terroristic tactics in their posts? It looks like you’re off base on multiple levels here.
 
Spaldy said:
regularly post disingenuous bollocks
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Is there anyone in this thread, really, that would actually post anything disingenuous?

I mean, there's some newspeak, some dogwhistling, yes, I do think certain people do spin and manipulate facts somewhat, but that said, even I am convinced that they genuinely believe that, in a way. However stupid, obnoxious or downright evil people here may be, I don't think there's anyone who wouldn't drink their own kool-aid, so to speak.

I don't think anyone is trolling or misery farming or whatever else you're trying to imply.
 
Magnus said:
If you happened to be on the other side of the political spectrum, and behaving the way you do here, you would have been banned a long time ago.
Just like some other former members who were more fun to communicate with than you, and certainly less annoying than you.
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If that were true, we would have banned jazz from hell, a person I have no civil words for.
 
Spaldy said:
Do you believe that there are genuinely evil people on here?
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Why, of course I do. Me, first and foremost. Were my innermost self somehow revealed, with all the patheticness and sordidness, with all the depraved thoughts that are so ugly in their smallness they would put to shame nearly anyone, in short, taking into consideration my distance from the one that is Good, I am evil and wicked and surely "through me, the entire world is guilty", to paraphrase Fyodor Mikhailovich.

As one of my gurus had said
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And I don't suspect others of being much better.

But my anthropo-scepticism notwithstanding, whether oriented towards myself or anyone else, to answer your question in a less flippant way, I have absolutely no idea whether there are or not.

I mean, I think I can speak for Perun and for Magnus, whom I genuinely believe not to be evil in the way you meant... but as for the others, I don't even know them, let alone vouching for the state of their soul. I mean, half of the accounts might be just some malfunctioning AI bots (I suspect Azas the most of this :ninja: ), some can have ulterior motives and Mosh, seemingly the calmest, most decent and most well-rounded of the people here, might be spending his evenings methodically cutting up whores in his bathroom for all I know.

So take that statement as a hyperbole. The discussion here gets often rather heated, possibly a bit too much for everyone to truly believe the other party is also "good" or at least trying to aim that way. Your own original post felt like really dripping with scorn so that you would seem to consider those to whom it was addressed almost necessarily either stupid or evil... and you can't possibly think yourself just the smartest.

In short
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Magnus said:
Since you keep asking the same question again and again, even though it has been answered more than once but apparently you either can't get it or pretend you can't get it, whatever, here's a blunt answer I can give you, and I hate being blunt normally:

If you happened to be on the other side of the political spectrum, and behaving the way you do here, you would have been banned a long time ago.
Just like some other former members who were more fun to communicate with than you, and certainly less annoying than you.
Do you realise what you've done to this place?
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No, the questions I'm asking have not been answered, not even once. Every single time I posted that specific series of questions, the people I was asking stopped responding and ignored it, which is pretty telling in itself. I get that I'm obnoxious to you, but please verify your claims before going on the offense like that.

And I also remember that I made a rather thorough response to your allegation here which you never responded to either. We have already discussed this before. I have already explained to you that conservatives aren't banned here for being right wing and that I'm not getting any preferential treatment by the mods. From what I've seen very few people have been banned and none of them for their political reasons. You are free to dislike me as much you want, but let's stick with reality and not some made up nonsense, alright?
So no, I wouldn't have been banned because that's not a criterium that the mods take into consideration.

Also, I don't think I have enough sway to "have done anything" to this place. People can ignore me and if any of my posts go too far there is a report button. No one is stopping the other members of interacting with you or each other. So while I've certainly been at fault for causing some heated discussions I don't think my membership on the forum to be important enough to influence the forum to such a degree. If I'm wrong let the mods decide if they agree with your assessment and if they want to ban me then so be it.
 
I shall paraphrase my previous statement thusly:

It is my impression that some of your activity here which I, personally, tend to find somewhat subpar and, occasionally, detrimental to the general mood prevailing on this esteemed forum, has been tolerated, at least partially, due to your views being what they are, similar lenience lacking on previous occasions.

I honestly have nothing more to say.
 
Magnus said:
I shall paraphrase my previous statement thusly:

It is my impression that some of your activity here which I, personally, tend to find somewhat subpar and, occasionally, detrimental to the general mood prevailing on this esteemed forum, has been tolerated, at least partially, due to your views being what they are, similar lenience lacking on previous occasions.

I honestly have nothing more to say.
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In other words you have no examples of anyone ever being banned for being conservative or being treated unfairly by the mods for being right wing, but you still want to dunk on me. That's okay, I can live with that.
 
Sheriff deleted his own posts and requested his account be deleted (which is something only the admin can do and the request was forwarded to him).
 
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