Who was auditioned to replace Blaze?

Discussion in 'Maiden Chat' started by Meliegree, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    The correct date is 10th February 1999, not 10th February 1998.
     
  2. TheTalisman

    TheTalisman Fågel

    Blaze mentions in "At the end of the Day - The Story of the Blaze Bayley band" that he wasn't informed until January 1999, and that Rod told him that Bruce is coming back.

    However, in the Run to the Hills biography he gives another recollection - there he says Rod told him that nothing had been sorted out with Bruce yet (propably not any contracts signed yet, but that they had negotiated/spoken with him).

    I think having Bruce back in the band gave them a better deal on the bond they signed at the time as well:
    Published 1999-02-09.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/275760.stm

    http://www.daveling.co.uk/doc-ironmaiden.htm#article

    So I'll guess if the first meetings with Bruce wouldn't have worked out, they would have auditioned singers during the spring of 1999 (or Steve would have kept Blaze in the band a little longer - at least for the summer tour in 1999 promoting the Ed Hunter Game/CD?)
     
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  3. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    How different the setlist would have been!
     
  4. Zare

    Zare Automaton Sovietico

    So if Bruce/Adrian rejoining was a declassified information in January 1999, how does that put reunion in February 1999? ;)
    At Chemical Wedding tour leg 1/2, Bruce let know his band that he's rejoining Maiden. That's the end of 1998.

    November/December 1998, Smith and Dickinson rejoin. After Christmas holidays, the business stuff starts rolling, Blaze is informed that his services will no longer be required, securitization goes on (doubtful without Bruce, Maiden sales were stagnating after a huge downfall at that moment), press releases get prepared, etc.

    I can't believe people here believe that Dickinson went to talk once with the guys and they left for pub and lived happily after.

    European leg of The Chemical Wedding tour happened while Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith were in Iron Maiden. Prove me wrong.
     
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  5. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    Wouldn't you have to prove it right before we can prove it wrong? :D

    My educated guess is that Rod was working behind the scenes trying to get everything sorted during the Virtual XI Autumn tour/Chemical Wedding Autumn tour. Apparently it took a lot to persuade Steve and it was not until he met with Bruce near Rod's house that the deal was sealed. This meeting could well have taken place before the Virtual XI South American tour, after the Virtual XI tour or in early 1999. Some other sources say that Bruce was still in two minds during the Christmas holidays though...
     
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  6. Ruflux

    Ruflux Ancient Mariner

    This is very much key to this whole conversation. Even without all the bad blood, these kinds of deals are fairly sizeable things to organize so it's very difficult to believe Steve and Bruce met once in 1999 or so and that's that. It would've taken months of planning to resolve all potential sources of difficulty (like preexisting contracts and agreements with parties like record labels and distributors on Bruce's side) and develop a clear communication strategy for once the news comes out. You don't just embark on something like this on a whim.
     
  7. Zare

    Zare Automaton Sovietico

    My point exactly. It doesn't happen over night.

    Blaze gets a lay off note in January. For him to be laid off business needs to be taken care of. Since beginning of January is still a holiday season, this would leave the management with two weeks to take care of the paperwork and prepare the exit strategy for Blaze. This supposed audition is a rumour MTV says that HardRadio says. Blaze knew Bruce is replacing him when he was laid off.

    Cain, my version of the things leaves quite a window for them too meet in London late Nov/early Dec.

    "Reunion" for me, is a non tangible thing, a moment when 6 of them decided to play together and make Maiden great again. Not at the moment of signature (do you want to spend eternity with your wife only from the moment of saying yes on the altar, or that occurred to you both when proposal was a success), not at the moment of press release.

    Therefore, the one claiming that reunion happened in 1999, also claims that the "reunion" business case can be solved in 41 days tops. It's a merger between two enterprises, $30 million worth, one 23 and one 8 year old, with layoffs to be done. Intellectual property created by the laid off staff to be used for future, without the staff consenting to such usage by contract default. And all that happens after the shareholders agree to mend up their differences.
     
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  8. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    Of course, but one needs to have a date to celebrate!

    VE day is celebrated on 8th May. That does not mean that the victory happened in a short period of time. ;)
     
  9. Zare

    Zare Automaton Sovietico

    Even if the date is wrong? ;) Realistically VE is one day off. Victory is pushed upon the loser at the earliest convenient time. Here we have a deal between free peoples, kind of a different situation.
     
  10. srfc

    srfc Ancient Mariner

    Maiden didn't play an encore in Rio on the second of December as Blaze's performance was so bad. I would be inclined to think that if the band were already making Machievelian moves towards Bruce that a bad performance from Blaze would not be a huge issue.
     
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  11. SixesAlltheway

    SixesAlltheway Ancient Mariner

    It might have been explained somewhere but who reached out to who first, did Maiden management reach out to Bruce first or did Bruce reach out first?

    Thats pretty big in my mind because if Maiden reached out first it goes to show that they were as unsatisfied with Blaze as many of their fans were.
     
  12. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    The reunion was a victory against Maiden's demise. :D

    Of course it is a different situation, but at the end of the day dates chosen to celebrate something tend to be more symbolic than anything else. I'll continue to celebrate 10th February as reunion day, even though such reunion had been some time in the making.
     
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  13. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

    I might be mistaken, but I think Rod reached out to Bruce first.
     
  14. SixesAlltheway

    SixesAlltheway Ancient Mariner

    In that case. Ouch.
     
  15. Zare

    Zare Automaton Sovietico

    Sure mate. I really don't feel anything in regards to how and when you celebrate this. It isn't important. What is, is the potential irrelevance of the Blaze's performance in South America and gig cancellation if my version is correct. Rod Smallwood had this reunion in his plans from the moment he found out about Dickinson and Smith and Accident Of Birth, for sure. The often cited bad Blaze performance couldn't be the factor if the band was already open to getting Dickinson back, the decision to part ways with Blaze at a later date was already done.
     
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  16. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    I agree with Zare. As soon as Adrian and Bruce got together, a Maiden reunion must’ve been seen as an inevitability on the side of management. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rod even floated the idea with someone sometime between the end of X Factour and Virtual XI.

    I think we’ll learn the whole story when Maiden is no longer active. Imo that’s a big reason why the Donington 92 dvd hasn’t been released yet. No point discussing bad blood or low points in their history when they are on top of the world again.
     
  17. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Whatever Rod may have wanted, whenever he may have wanted it, the band was surely not having any of it, until that meeting with Bruce. People from the band were not interested/enthralled by Bruce's solo music.

    The band themselves hated the term reunion. Bruce included, he even ranted against it. The band never broke up.
     
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  18. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    :nonono:
     
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  19. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Source?
     
  20. GhostofCain

    GhostofCain Ancient Mariner

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