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Hi there
what do u think about Russia and russian enternatnment web-portals?
thx
what do u think about Russia and russian enternatnment web-portals?
thx
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
What do I think about Russia? I think Russia is a great country which unfortunately has suffered since the time of the Czars. I Think it was a very BRAVE country to take up Communism ( you know try something "different") and have the balls to oppose the U.S. I hope one day its economic situation improves, because it is a very rich nation historically, culturally and in its vodka reserves [!--emo&
--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--] I love vodka hehe [!--emo&--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--] I'll touch on entertainment later... got to go
--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--] I love vodka hehe [!--emo&--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--] I'll touch on entertainment later... got to go
The_7th_Son
Ancient Mariner
Entertainment can be a product of vodka.
What do I think about Russia?
I think Russia's the fucking scariest place on earth right now. Yes, that includes Bosnia and Iraq. Russia is a place where you NEVER KNOW WHO IS GONNA KILL YOU TODAY. Russia is dominated by the Mob. Police may or may not go along with the law. Russia is also dominated by the government. Putin is consolodating his hold over Russia. He controls a superpresidency that he is making even more super.
The last time someone spoke out against Putin, he confiscated their assets and arrested them for tax evasion (Mikhail Khordorkovsky, CEO of Yukos, world's largest oil company). He'll never see the light of day again. It is not uncommon for Russians to start a business and show up one day to see a Mafia man behind their desk.
Oh. And then let's talk about Chechnya. All Russian men are eligable to be drafted at age 18, and sent to that hellhole. Chechnya is probably more dangerous than Iraq. Many more Russians are killed their per day than coalition forces in Iraq.
I think Russia's the fucking scariest place on earth right now. Yes, that includes Bosnia and Iraq. Russia is a place where you NEVER KNOW WHO IS GONNA KILL YOU TODAY. Russia is dominated by the Mob. Police may or may not go along with the law. Russia is also dominated by the government. Putin is consolodating his hold over Russia. He controls a superpresidency that he is making even more super.
The last time someone spoke out against Putin, he confiscated their assets and arrested them for tax evasion (Mikhail Khordorkovsky, CEO of Yukos, world's largest oil company). He'll never see the light of day again. It is not uncommon for Russians to start a business and show up one day to see a Mafia man behind their desk.
Oh. And then let's talk about Chechnya. All Russian men are eligable to be drafted at age 18, and sent to that hellhole. Chechnya is probably more dangerous than Iraq. Many more Russians are killed their per day than coalition forces in Iraq.
And Onhell? You don't know a damn thing about Soviet history [!--emo&--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]And it sounds like your Poli-Sci prof has decided to only show you half the story, LC.
Russia is going through some growing pains. You can't endure centuries of autocratic rule and then decades of state controlled life and then expect everything to be rosey and happy within 15 years. It's just not feasible. Russia has a hell of a long way to go to become democratic, but things aren't as bad as you think.
Chechnya CANNOT be compared to Iraq. The closest comparison to the Russia-Chechnya situation is the Troubles in Northern Ireland during the 1970's. There was a group of people claiming independance from a 'foriegn' power and were willing to kill for it. Were I Mr. Putin, I'd just carpet bomb the place and be done with it.
Now, for the obligatory jokes:
In Soviet Union, music listens to you!
Russia is going through some growing pains. You can't endure centuries of autocratic rule and then decades of state controlled life and then expect everything to be rosey and happy within 15 years. It's just not feasible. Russia has a hell of a long way to go to become democratic, but things aren't as bad as you think.
Chechnya CANNOT be compared to Iraq. The closest comparison to the Russia-Chechnya situation is the Troubles in Northern Ireland during the 1970's. There was a group of people claiming independance from a 'foriegn' power and were willing to kill for it. Were I Mr. Putin, I'd just carpet bomb the place and be done with it.
Now, for the obligatory jokes:
In Soviet Union, music listens to you!
Lib
Ancient Mariner
I work with Russians. They're very very good musicians. They have run away from them country because it was very hard to live there and they wanted to protect their families. It also was difficult to play rock'n roll in this country.
And I can confirm : they drink a lot and not only Vodka ! They also like french red wine ! [!--emo&--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
And I can confirm : they drink a lot and not only Vodka ! They also like french red wine ! [!--emo&
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Noone said that it wasn't natural, Duke! All I said was that it was scary and dangerous.
And I think that you can't make political comparisons between Chechnya and Iraq, but you can make military comparisons. Simply the number of people dying...
And I think that you can't make political comparisons between Chechnya and Iraq, but you can make military comparisons. Simply the number of people dying...
I love Russia and its language is maybe the most fascinating and beautiful that exists !
Russia is a key to understand Europe. It's a very important country in many regards and will remain that way.
Now, people who don't see that communism was a dictatorship that sent millions of people to a calculated death are either fools or blind.
Communism is one of the most important crime against humanity that has been overlooked since its demise.
If you have one book to read, do read the Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzhehitzyn.
Cheers
Russia is a key to understand Europe. It's a very important country in many regards and will remain that way.
Now, people who don't see that communism was a dictatorship that sent millions of people to a calculated death are either fools or blind.
Communism is one of the most important crime against humanity that has been overlooked since its demise.
If you have one book to read, do read the Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzhehitzyn.
Cheers
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[!--QuoteBegin-The Saint+Feb 23 2005, 08:54 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(The Saint @ Feb 23 2005, 08:54 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Communism is one of the most important crime against humanity that has been overlooked since its demise.
And it's funny to see that it's trendy to sport the hammer and sickle, whereas you get into trouble for doing the same with a Swastika. To me, they are both symbols of organised murder and oppression in the 20th Century.
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[/quote]And it's funny to see that it's trendy to sport the hammer and sickle, whereas you get into trouble for doing the same with a Swastika. To me, they are both symbols of organised murder and oppression in the 20th Century.
[!--QuoteBegin-Maverick+Feb 23 2005, 09:14 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Maverick @ Feb 23 2005, 09:14 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]And it's funny to see that it's trendy to sport the hammer and sickle, whereas you get into trouble for doing the same with a Swastika. To me, they are both symbols of organised murder and oppression in the 20th Century.
It's refreshing to find healthy intelligent people around ! Thanks Maverick.
Why is Communism judged not from its reality but for its utopist goals, while Marx himself did put praxis at the pinnacle of his theory ?
And why is Communism judged on a false report of what the Communism 'fathers' goals were ? Has anyone really read Marx ? Has anyone read his views on Jews, for instance ?
Has anyone compared the founding point of National-Socialism and Communism ?
Why does judges refuse to take in consideration victims of the dictatorship in Vietnam, but release warrants for Pinochet ? I can't understand a world that hates Bush while loving Castro.
One crime doesn't offset another. One crime doesn't make another bearable.
Cheers
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[/quote]It's refreshing to find healthy intelligent people around ! Thanks Maverick.
Why is Communism judged not from its reality but for its utopist goals, while Marx himself did put praxis at the pinnacle of his theory ?
And why is Communism judged on a false report of what the Communism 'fathers' goals were ? Has anyone really read Marx ? Has anyone read his views on Jews, for instance ?
Has anyone compared the founding point of National-Socialism and Communism ?
Why does judges refuse to take in consideration victims of the dictatorship in Vietnam, but release warrants for Pinochet ? I can't understand a world that hates Bush while loving Castro.
One crime doesn't offset another. One crime doesn't make another bearable.
Cheers
Well, Communism didn't do a damn thing. The culprit was STALINISM. Communism has never existed on this planet. And especially not in Russia!
[!--QuoteBegin-LooseCannon+Feb 23 2005, 09:30 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(LooseCannon @ Feb 23 2005, 09:30 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Well, Communism didn't do a damn thing. The culprit was STALINISM. Communism has never existed on this planet. And especially not in Russia!
This is just playing with words. This is excusing communism for it never existed.
The murders and dictatorship didn't wait Stalin to begin but were already present in the Lenin era. It's been documented a lot since the 70s.
There's not a single country which undertook communism that didn't have any sort of dictatorship, economic demise, mass murders and al.
If Communism is what Marx wrote, then read his stance about Jews, read his stance about elitism (though people think he was giving power to the labor force).
Cheers
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[/quote]This is just playing with words. This is excusing communism for it never existed.
The murders and dictatorship didn't wait Stalin to begin but were already present in the Lenin era. It's been documented a lot since the 70s.
There's not a single country which undertook communism that didn't have any sort of dictatorship, economic demise, mass murders and al.
If Communism is what Marx wrote, then read his stance about Jews, read his stance about elitism (though people think he was giving power to the labor force).
Cheers
[!--QuoteBegin-IronDuke+Feb 23 2005, 09:43 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(IronDuke @ Feb 23 2005, 09:43 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Wasn't Marx a Jew himself?
Just sayin....
No, he was a baptist (no exactly the baptism of today, however) but, yes, he had a jewish ancestry.
He repeatedly attacked Jews in his writing, wanting them out of Europe.
In his stance against religion in general, he said that Christians had to abandon their religion, while Jews has to "surrender completely" and sacrifice their nationality. He also said money was the real God of the Jews.
He was one of the most anti-semite of his time.
Cheers
Just sayin....
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[/quote]No, he was a baptist (no exactly the baptism of today, however) but, yes, he had a jewish ancestry.
He repeatedly attacked Jews in his writing, wanting them out of Europe.
In his stance against religion in general, he said that Christians had to abandon their religion, while Jews has to "surrender completely" and sacrifice their nationality. He also said money was the real God of the Jews.
He was one of the most anti-semite of his time.
Cheers
I'm not making any excuse, Mr The Saint. Stalinism is simply the term given for the type of authoritarianism that followed the creation of the personality cult of Lenin/Stalin. The reason that dictatorships follow communism is because of the methods by which it has been established.
The basic tenant of true Communism is that it would come from a mature industrial society. Mature industrial society. Every nation that has been held by a Communist regime has been a developing nation - with the exception of East Germany, and there really wasn't much left of that nation when it fell under Soviet control!
Leninism is the perversion of Marxism that involves the creation of a powerful central government to create that mature industrial society. This is what Lenin advocated - and what began the first mass slaughters of Russian peasants. Of course, there were also the politicals and many millions killed during the Revolution and Civil War.
Stalinism was the creation of a personality cult. The greatest critic of Lenin and Stalin was Leon Trotsky, who predicted that Lenin's formation of the CPSU was going to lead to a very strong central leader. And that is what happened. It especially happened under Iron Joe.
The basic tenant of true Communism is that it would come from a mature industrial society. Mature industrial society. Every nation that has been held by a Communist regime has been a developing nation - with the exception of East Germany, and there really wasn't much left of that nation when it fell under Soviet control!
Leninism is the perversion of Marxism that involves the creation of a powerful central government to create that mature industrial society. This is what Lenin advocated - and what began the first mass slaughters of Russian peasants. Of course, there were also the politicals and many millions killed during the Revolution and Civil War.
Stalinism was the creation of a personality cult. The greatest critic of Lenin and Stalin was Leon Trotsky, who predicted that Lenin's formation of the CPSU was going to lead to a very strong central leader. And that is what happened. It especially happened under Iron Joe.
The Saint, antisemitism is overpresent in almost every single culture until, say...1945. When you consider Marx's view on atheism (that religion is just another way to keep the proletariat down), combined with the general antisemitism of the time = extreme Jew hatred.
Not saying it's excusable...I'm saying you have to look at history through the context of the time it occured...not through the context of 2005.
Not saying it's excusable...I'm saying you have to look at history through the context of the time it occured...not through the context of 2005.