Soviet communism and Nazism have no ideological differences to speak of, really. Except for the state-owned bit of Communism, and the Jew-hating of the other.
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[!--QuoteBegin-LooseCannon+Sep 10 2005, 10:34 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(LooseCannon @ Sep 10 2005, 10:34 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Soviet communism and Nazism have no ideological differences to speak of, really. Except for the state-owned bit of Communism, and the Jew-hating of the other.
Are you speaking of Soviet Communism before or after the fall of the ComIntern?
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[/quote]Are you speaking of Soviet Communism before or after the fall of the ComIntern?
General post-Leninism, the Dictatorship of One as Trotsky called it, as personified by the General Secretary.
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[!--QuoteBegin-Black Ace+Sep 10 2005, 01:06 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Black Ace @ Sep 10 2005, 01:06 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Uh, i Think they can't tell the diference between communism and extreme right [!--emo&:unsure:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/unsure.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'unsure.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
They may be opposites in their content, but I don't think there is much difference in the effects. These kids are proof that extreme thinking is abnormal and can be harmful, whether left or right.
The reality is very diferent from what these kids may worship. I haven't been to Russia but heard horrendous stories from eye witnesses. About incredible undisguised corruption, mass poverty, street kids, general decay and apathy, especially outside Moscow.
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[/quote]They may be opposites in their content, but I don't think there is much difference in the effects. These kids are proof that extreme thinking is abnormal and can be harmful, whether left or right.
The reality is very diferent from what these kids may worship. I haven't been to Russia but heard horrendous stories from eye witnesses. About incredible undisguised corruption, mass poverty, street kids, general decay and apathy, especially outside Moscow.
All of which are a product of Russian capitalism, not communism.
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[!--QuoteBegin-LooseCannon+Sep 11 2005, 03:09 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(LooseCannon @ Sep 11 2005, 03:09 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]All of which are a product of Russian capitalism, not communism.
You said it, Russian capitalism.
While street kids and poverty are present in many countries, Russia (and other post-communist countries, including my own) is special. Long period of fear and civil irresponsibility created a generation of would-be democrats and "capitalists" and their victims.
When everything is owned by the state, noone respects anything. When people need a permit for travelling from one town to another, they learn to corrupt. When they are scared to tell a joke or go to church, most of them stop caring. And in this they raise their kids. And when the kids meet with the great free world of capitalism, they mutate strangely. It's going to take several generations to recover, if at all.
(Sorry for the outburst, this is personal to me.)
EDIT: As I said before, I distinguish between the concept and its effects.
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[/quote]You said it, Russian capitalism.
While street kids and poverty are present in many countries, Russia (and other post-communist countries, including my own) is special. Long period of fear and civil irresponsibility created a generation of would-be democrats and "capitalists" and their victims.
When everything is owned by the state, noone respects anything. When people need a permit for travelling from one town to another, they learn to corrupt. When they are scared to tell a joke or go to church, most of them stop caring. And in this they raise their kids. And when the kids meet with the great free world of capitalism, they mutate strangely. It's going to take several generations to recover, if at all.
(Sorry for the outburst, this is personal to me.)
EDIT: As I said before, I distinguish between the concept and its effects.
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A history teacher once taught me to look at politics as an unfinished circle, never as a straight line with a "left" and a "right": At the ends (extremes), they never meet, but are still so very close. This is where we find Nazism and Communism. I find this to be a very accurate and understandable figure.
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[!--QuoteBegin-Perun+Sep 10 2005, 12:41 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Perun @ Sep 10 2005, 12:41 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]But what do you think of the fact that this is basically the flag the nazis used, with the swastika replaced by hammer and sickle?
I don't think the kids know what they are up to. Possibly the flag with the hammer and sickle resembles the swastika flag is just coincidental. After all, the red background symbolises socialism and that's what both regimes said they were - Socialists. (Even though they were anything but).
I just think these kids are doing this for a laugh and shouldn't be taken too seriously anyway... but i'm sure the rest of you will read too much into it and come to the conclusion that the end is nigh or something.
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[/quote]I don't think the kids know what they are up to. Possibly the flag with the hammer and sickle resembles the swastika flag is just coincidental. After all, the red background symbolises socialism and that's what both regimes said they were - Socialists. (Even though they were anything but).
I just think these kids are doing this for a laugh and shouldn't be taken too seriously anyway... but i'm sure the rest of you will read too much into it and come to the conclusion that the end is nigh or something.
Kynisk Sokol
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Makes sense man, I'm sure a lot of Nazis probably don't care about the "Ayran philospohy". As long it gives them some cheap reason to attack someone in an unprovoked manner they're happy.