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Aggelos said:
Just a quick reminder to all and not just @Azas .

Chat GPT and any other A.I is an algorithm. It answers based on how it was programmed and yes the answers can lean left, right or whatever based on how the algorithm was coded/programmed.

Just like Twitter/Facebook or any other social media can be programmed to favor certain posts, an AI can be programmed to favor certain views.
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Yes, ChatGPT may sometimes be wrong, but in this case it searched the web and found plenty of Michta’s articles that clearly show his political views.

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From what I see, according to Vaenyr, god forbid anyone posts something that leans to the right—because it supposedly ‘raises the temperature’ too much here. So I guess only left-leaning takes are allowed? That honestly reminds me of something very nasty. In fact, Trumpists are doing the exact same thing right now—calling to censor and silence views they dislike. The irony is hard to miss: this push for censorship came from someone who openly declares far-left views. Pathetic.
 
Azas said:
Yes, ChatGPT may sometimes be wrong, but in this case it searched the web and found plenty of Michta’s articles that clearly show his political views.

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From what I see, according to Vaenyr, god forbid anyone posts something that leans to the right—because it supposedly ‘raises the temperature’ too much here. So I guess only left-leaning takes are allowed? That honestly reminds me of something very nasty. In fact, Trumpists are doing the exact same thing right now—calling to censor and silence views they dislike. The irony is hard to miss: this push for censorship came from someone who openly declares far-left views. Pathetic.
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And you still don't get it...

Yes it searched the web, BUT, it can cherry pick what it decides to include in it's answer. I am not saying this is what it did in this case, since I don't know who that guy is, all I am saying is take what it tells you with a pinch of salt. And do your own research.

As for @Vaenyr I'll just repeat what I said earlier. And you still don't get it... or you don't want to get it and you twist what he says in a way that suits your narative.

P.S. Today I have impressed myself. I am so restrained in my posts. New firewall I installed on myself must be doing a good job. :p:p:p
 
Azas said:
Yes, ChatGPT may sometimes be wrong, but in this case it searched the web and found plenty of Michta’s articles that clearly show his political views.
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It is a large language model, it has no intelligence. Uncritically trusting an LLM means uncritically trusting something that cannot accurately count the number of "R"s in the word strawberry. Food for thought.


Azas said:
From what I see, according to Vaenyr, god forbid anyone posts something that leans to the right—because it supposedly ‘raises the temperature’ too much here. So I guess only left-leaning takes are allowed? That honestly reminds me of something very nasty. In fact, Trumpists are doing the exact same thing right now—calling to censor and silence views they dislike. The irony is hard to miss: this push for censorship came from someone who openly declares far-left views. Pathetic.
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No one is calling for censorship, that's another strawman. Learn to read what people actually write.

I'm asking you to inform yourself on the topic you want to be part of. You have posted objectively incorrect claims in this thread and you've done so multiple times. You ask why there are no protests, when there have been regular protests with thousands of participants for literal months. That's not "censorship"; that's asking you to take some responsibility and show the bare minimum of respect to other users, by not constantly sharing inflammatory bullshit that has no basis in reality. Especially when you are told time and time again how wrong you are and why exactly you are wrong, yet you refuse to acknowledge that or take responsibility.

Hell, even now you are once again laser-focused on attacking the far left, after people called you out for believing nonsensical "neo marxist" talking point by a right wing populist. Instead of listening to ideas and forming your own opinion, you already have an opinion and then look for articles and activists to reinforce your opinion.

Look, you can do whatever you want, but I want you to think on this:

I'm not the only person here who regularly pushes back against your posts in this thread. Do you think that every single person who disagrees with you is wrong and blinded, and that you're the only one who got things right? Or could it be that sometimes it is you who is wrong and there's a reason so many people (of varying positions on the political spectrum) are calling your posts out? Food for thought.
 
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I am self-critical—sometimes even excessively so. As for others pushing back against my posts, that’s a fact, no denying it. Likewise, several people here have challenged your stances; some were even banned—not necessarily as a direct consequence, but still. So yes, we’re all deeply flawed.
 
Azas said:
I am self-critical—sometimes even excessively so. As for others pushing back against my posts, that’s a fact, no denying it. Likewise, several people here have challenged your stances; some were even banned—not necessarily as a direct consequence, but still. So yes, we’re all deeply flawed.
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Not a single person has been banned because of me. One posted literal neo nazi shit, and others like Judas rage quit the forum for the hundredth time (and it wasn't because of one of my posts either).

The disagreements people have with me are usually due to my tone and behavior, or about subjective experiences, rarely about the content of my posts.

Edit: Before anyone misreads this comment, I'm not trying to claim that I'm somehow perfect or always correct. Far from it. I make mistakes as well. But they usually aren't on the level of ranting against Pride month because veterans don't get enough recognition without realizing that there are multiple occasions each year reserved for horing veterans.
Or asking why there are no protests when there have been so many for months.
 
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It looks like Jimmy Kimmel will be back on ABC. I guess Dysney's bosses were not too thrilled with falling subscribtion numbers. Or is it there another explanation to it. For the greater good?
 
I'm really concerned about how much almost everyone in business is just sucking up to Trump. Everyone's just worrying about not upsetting dear leader in case he attacks them. It's appeasement and won't end well.

It's so blatantly obvious that a huge authoritarian power grab is happening and there's just so little resistance to it.

The Mrs and I normally spend thousands annually on a big Florida holiday.
We're now not going anywhere near the US for the foreseeable future. Frankly I'm not sure if there's any coming back from this.
 
Azas said:
It looks like Jimmy Kimmel will be back on ABC. I guess Dysney's bosses were not too thrilled with falling subscribtion numbers. Or is it there another explanation to it. For the greater good?
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the greater good... LOL
the only thing corporations understand is money.
funny thing is that the US is so divided that they might actually lose money no matter what they do. keep him and lose the republican, let him goand lose the democrats.
it's gonna be an awkward moment, the one where corporate boses realize their client base is potentially cut in half and they actually have to choose sides.
this could be the begining of the end for Trump.
 
Trevoire said:
Frankly I'm not sure if there's any coming back from this.
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I’m not sure either. i think we went past the point of no return when most voters decided to re-elect someone who previously responded to an election loss by trying to stage a coup and promised on the campaign trail to throw the constitution out. The fact there is an obvious authoritarian power grab happening and this thread is more interested in hand wringing over Charlie Kirk or what some random blogger is saying shows how far gone the country is imo. Even if democrats somehow won a supermajority in congress and the presidency in 2028, we still have a too large group of people who are either ambivalent toward fascism or simply fascists themselves (and too many people afraid to call out obvious fascism).

The only thing left to pull the country from the brink is for Trump, who should never have been allowed to hold office again, to be forcibly removed from office through the legal process of impeachment or the 25th amendment which will only happen if it becomes obvious that he has lost popular support among his voters, which is not even close to happening right now.
 
Aggelos said:
it's gonna be an awkward moment, the one where corporate boses realize their client base is potentially cut in half and they actually have to choose sides.
this could be the begining of the end for Trump.
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I fear that corporations have begun to realize that they can still function in an authoritarian state client base be damned. Kimmel being put back on the air after public pressure makes me wonder, but also it has been alarming see how easily corporate America has bent over in less than a year.
 
Mosh said:
I fear that corporations have begun to realize that they can still function in an authoritarian state client base be damned. Kimmel being put back on the air after public pressure makes me wonder, but also it has been alarming see how easily corporate America has bent over in less than a year.
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I won't disagree or argue, especially considering I do not live there. But bent over is one thing, lose money is a completely different beast. So the question is, are they actually losing money? Is their client base cut in half, or do eople still buy products and services from those corporations? In capitalism the only power we have is the one given to us by our wallets. I am not saying it's right of course, but it's the sad truth.
 
Aggelos said:
I won't disagree or argue, especially considering I do not live there. But bent over is one thing, lose money is a completely different beast. So the question is, are they actually losing money? Is their client base cut in half, or do eople still buy products and services from those corporations? In capitalism the only power we have is the one given to us by our wallets. I am not saying it's right of course, but it's the sad truth.
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I'm not sure. When I read reports of how much Disney was losing in subscription money, I wasn't really sure if that was actually a lot of money in the grand scheme (I'm still not). It seems like something made a difference if ABC walked back their suspension of Kimmel so quickly, but I am also curious to see what his show looks like now.

But overall you're right, I don't think we have seen the mass resistance others are describing in this thread. I think I've said before that the last barrier between Trump and a full totalitarian state is a functional capitalist system where people can still buy things and feel like they have freedom to vote with their wallet. Corporate America needs this to survive, and I have assumed that if Trump starts to make it hard for people to spend money (either through an economic collapse or by trying to silence his opponents, it appears we are getting both), corporate America will turn against him. We'll just say I feel less confident in this after the last week.
 
Mosh said:
The only thing left to pull the country from the brink is for Trump, who should never have been allowed to hold office again, to be forcibly removed from office through the legal process of impeachment or the 25th amendment which will only happen if it becomes obvious that he has lost popular support among his voters, which is not even close to happening right now.
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I'm not sure if that can even happen at this point. The Republican party is so wrapped around his finger, and the Trump supporters are so cult like. They know any action against him will lose them support and power.

There was a very brief period after Jan 6th that it seemed like the party was going to quit the Trump drug, they realised it had gone too far, but it only lasted a day or two, and then they all went to maralgo to kiss the ring and feel back into line.

The Dems I don't think the appetite for another impeachment. They tried last time and the Republicans just shrugged their shoulders and said "yeah but he's our guy, so it's ok"
Even with a majority I don't think they want to expend the political capital to do it.
 
Trevoire said:
I'm not sure if that can even happen at this point. The Republican party is so wrapped around his finger, and the Trump supporters are so cult like. They know any action against him will lose them support and power.

There was a very brief period after Jan 6th that it seemed like the party was going to quit the Trump drug, they realised it had gone too far, but it only lasted a day or two, and then they all went to maralgo to kiss the ring and feel back into line.

The Dems I don't think the appetite for another impeachment. They tried last time and the Republicans just shrugged their shoulders and said "yeah but he's our guy, so it's ok"
Even with a majority I don't think they want to expend the political capital to do it.
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Well that's the rub, believe it or not America is still a country run by the people for the people and right now Trump's tyranny is what the people want. I strongly believe that if voters indicated they opposed what Trump was doing now and Republicans felt that there were electoral consequences for standing up to him, Trump would be impeached immediately. As of now, voters have (repeatedly) sent a clear signal that if you don't kiss the ring as a Republican, you get a primary.

2026 is going to be interesting. If it's bad enough for the GOP and Trump is entering the lame duck period without the ability to do anything in congress, I wonder if the self preservation instinct will start to kick in for some Republicans, not to mention those with national ambitions. At some point they're going to want him to make way for the next president.

As for Democrats, frankly I think the party is so broken they are going to struggle to have any sort of unifying message until the 2028 primary. Around this time in 2017, a message around Obamacare and social security was starting to develop and Democrats were starting to build a story around the 2018 midterms. Right now? I am not even entirely sure Democrats in congress are still showing up to work. They might just sleepwalk into a majority in 2026 and impeach Trump a few times just because they're all out of ideas.
 
Aggelos said:
Just a quick reminder to all and not just @Azas .

Chat GPT and any other A.I is an algorithm. It answers based on how it was programmed and yes the answers can lean left, right or whatever based on how the algorithm was coded/programmed.

Just like Twitter/Facebook or any other social media can be programmed to favor certain posts, an AI can be programmed to favor certain views.
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Saw a great one yesterday that was a collection of tweets and memes on Youtube, with an AI voice reading out the text. One of the tweets had the word Hellscape in it, and the AI pronounced it Heilscape
 
Wikipedia is okay though? And what about lists from random people on Twitter or Bluesky?

It is possible to disagree without calling Azas a fascist and without mirroring Trump's hate and division.

I have cancelled a few US subscription services. Not sure if it's the right thing to do, but it's at least something I CAN do. I have also contributed in talking a friend and his family out of visiting the US this fall; now they'll stay in Europe.
 
jazz from hell said:
I have cancelled a few US subscription services. Not sure if it's the right thing to do, but it's at least something I CAN do.
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Politics having nothing to do with it, I've cut down on so many streaming services. Only have an F1TV service and MLB.TV (for fantasy baseball purposes) service. Even then the ownership/administration structure for MLB is getting changed for next year it sounds like, so that'll be going bye-bye.

Just don't watch too much TV.
 
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