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infinitedreams7thson

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I notice all kinds of love for Davey and H on this forum (which is WELL deserved),  But I seldom see any love for Janick.  I think Jan plays some great guitar,  not ALWAYS on the level of the other guys, but generally comparable.  Besides that, he was a creative force for Maiden in the 90's (an era which I like, even though some do not) and continues to provide added depth to their guitar sound as well as their songwriting.  I'd say that earns Janick some respect.  Plus, he said what we were all thinking when Queensryche started that atrocious cabaret tour experiment.
 
He's my favorite song writer of the three. (Yes, even more then Adrian :o)

Wasting Love
The Edge Of Darkness
Como Estais Amigos
Ghost of the Navigator
Dream of Mirrors
Dance of Death
The Legacy

Just to name a few. As for his live playing, I don't mind it. Certainly the sloppiest of the three. But it doesn't bother me that much, and he is fun to watch!
 
I'll agree that Janick is the sloppiest but alot of talented guitarists are a little sloppy.  Guys like Jimmy Page and Jerry Garcia were sloppy pickers too (not to say that Gers is on the level of Page).  The sometimes messy playing doesn't take away from his talent for song-writing, of which I'd say he is probably 3rd best at out of the band.
 
Exactly, I mess up solos that aren't mine all the time too.  Actually alot of times i've seen bands perform covers of other artists material, the solo is often changed somewhat to suit the guitarist.  Its natural that Janick won't be as good at H's solos, those particular solos are geared toward a unique style of play.  I'd bet alot of money that Davey and H would make some mistakes playing Janicks solos live too.  (waiting for the onslaught of zealots who will tell me about the infallibility of Adrian)
 
infinitedreams7thson said:
I'll agree that Janick is the sloppiest but alot of talented guitarists are a little sloppy.  Guys like Jimmy Page and Jerry Garcia were sloppy pickers too (not to say that Gers is on the level of Page).  The sometimes messy playing doesn't take away from his talent for song-writing, of which I'd say he is probably 3rd best at out of the band.
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I get a giggle out of people that call Page a legend. Sure, he was a great writer, but anybody that aspires to play like him...  :huh:
 
I wasn't calling him a legend, I was saying that if I had to compare the talent of Jan and Jimmy Page, Page is the better guitarist.  He just happens to have a similar sloppy picking style as Janick does.  I fail to see whats wrong with trying to play like Jimmy Page.  I can't think of many better rock guitarists from that era.
 
I've seen Maiden live 4 times and while on some concert footage, I notice some issues soloing, I have yet to notice it at any of my shows.  Of course that may just be because the shows are always so exciting that I just don't care. :D
 
I got used to it. In fact, I just notice it when listening or watching him at home. At the live concert, mate, I'm totally zonked out into the Maiden planet!!! :edmetal:
 
I'm with you there.  I also don't understand why people get all annoyed with his stage behavior.  How is him jumping around any different than Bruce or Steve?  Just because Adrian and Dave don't move alot doesn't mean Janick needs to be a statue.
 
I've always felt all his stage antics are purely spontaneous. That's the way he is, how he needs to move to express him at full force. That's what always made me get really impressed with his performances. Rock 'N' Roll must be fun, too. Maiden has the perfect balance.
 
Exactly!!! I always tell people who hate on Janick for that, that if you want your musicians to stand in one place not moving or being excited, you should definitely check out 1950's rock and roll with the suits on stage and the ankle high amplifiers.
 
Janick is freaking awesome.  He's an excellent guitarist, a great entertainer, and an amazing song writer.  What else could you ask for?
 
I respect Janick mostly for his songwriting skills, especially since the reunion. I really liked how he explained that he wanted a narrative/symphonic structure, rather than the verse/chorus-formula, to his songs (atleast the longer ones). And we all know Janick can play beautiful solos when he slows down (Blood Brothers, The Aftermath etc).
 
Suicidehummer said:
I get a giggle out of people that call Page a legend. Sure, he was a great writer, but anybody that aspires to play like him...  :huh:
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I would imagine that all but the most accomplished rock guitar players would aspire to play like Page.  The apocryphal legend is that he had to sell his soul to the devil to play like he does, and no one else can match it.  Good luck trying. 

As for Janick, he is a good writer, a good ambassador for the band, a decent but not great guitar player (clearly the weakest of the three), and a good example to the other guitar players to show a little life out there.  Dave Murray, for example, is a heck of a lot more animated onstage now than he was in the 80s -- I attribute this in part to Janick's influence. 
 
If it wasn't for Janick I feel the band would not have survived the 90s.

Some of his solos hit the spot (fear of the dark) while others miss (brighter than a 1000 suns). Live I enjoy his double solos with H on The Trooper and The Evil That Men Do. I also thought he was quite chivalrous to allow H and Dave the bulk of the solos on the SBIT tour. Definitely no ego there.

Other Janick songs of note: The Pilgrim and The Mercenary.

Still...when I purchased tix on the SBIT tour I made sure the seats were on Dave and H's side...
 
infinitedreams7thson said:
I wasn't calling him a legend, I was saying that if I had to compare the talent of Jan and Jimmy Page, Page is the better guitarist.  He just happens to have a similar sloppy picking style as Janick does.  I fail to see whats wrong with trying to play like Jimmy Page.  I can't think of many better rock guitarists from that era.
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I wasn't saying you were, although I can see how you would think that since I quoted you. I was just going off topic, using your post to build off.

And there are many better rock guitarists from that era; Ritchie Blackmore, Tony Iommi, Chuck Berry, etc.

cornfedhick said:
I would imagine that all but the most accomplished rock guitar players would aspire to play like Page.  The apocryphal legend is that he had to sell his soul to the devil to play like he does, and no one else can match it.  Good luck trying. 

As for Janick, he is a good writer, a good ambassador for the band, a decent but not great guitar player (clearly the weakest of the three), and a good example to the other guitar players to show a little life out there.  Dave Murray, for example, is a heck of a lot more animated onstage now than he was in the 80s -- I attribute this in part to Janick's influence. 
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LOL yeah, I'm sure Slash dreams of missing notes like the "great" Jimmy Page. My cat can play better than Jimmy Page.

Should I post the video? Yeah, I will.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p35XWzYrUWk[/youtube]

Again, I'm not saying those aren't some nice blues licks in there, just that he sucks at playing them.
 
infinitedreams7thson said:
I notice all kinds of love for Davey and H on this forum (which is WELL deserved),  But I seldom see any love for Janick.
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Lately I posted something about my love for his solos.

Further you'll see that the love for Dave is hardly any different compared with love for Janick.

Dave is seen as the great live player with his stunning bright solos and for the rest people hardly show respect/love, apart from a few members of Dave's church. ;)

When a new album comes out people hardly talk about Dave, and on the last album people were actually more negative than positive about him.

You might see more negative words about Janick (his shows and sometimes some studio solos) compared to Dave, but also way more positive words, about his songwriting and motivating qualities.

So it isn't that bad! I'd say: let's get more supporters for the Holy Church of Dave, because in 2010 he is the underdog!  :)
 
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