Crimson Idol
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Given the constant connecting they are doing, with every line reappearing later on... the second I heard him say that it was just "Look out Skye!" flashing warning lights
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Given the constant connecting they are doing, with every line reappearing later on... the second I heard him say that it was just "Look out Skye!" flashing warning lights
Just saw the new episode.
Well if I had to guess they're going to do a good-guy turn for Ward. It seems he is getting shown personally what Garrett's methods mean. I absolutely LOVED when Skye called him a Nazi, Hitler Youth, etc. That was awesome. He keeps going on about how he's just doing a mission, well. Makes you wonder what Garrett did that makes Ward so loyal to him.
Hill's appearance was pretty good. And TAHITI...well. That's interesting. I'll rewatch it tomorrow and do a live review.
Hill's appearance was pretty good. And TAHITI...well. That's interesting. I'll rewatch it tomorrow and do a live review.
Crimson Idol
Caveman
I'll comment more later, mostly the episode was easy enough to follow where it was going. CGI made me actually laugh. As for the ending...
.... what!?
.... what!?
MrKnickerbocker
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I really, really hope not. I don't care what kind of crap they pull, Ward is not redeemable. If we start next season with, "Let's redeem Ward!" I honestly might stop watching. Some things you don't come back from.
The best part of the episode for me was definitely Skye's Nazi rant. Also, that small moment between Mike/Dethlok and Ward at the end. I'm very interested to see what happens once he gets that chip/eyepiece/bomb out of his head.
The special effects were laughably bad at the end. My god. It was just so poorly done. If you can't shoot something on a TV budget...please do something else rather than half-assing what should be a film sequence.
As for TAHITI...very interesting indeed. I loved the final, "Huh."
Roll call: can we PLEASE make Cobie Smulders a full time cast member already? Have her kill Ward, take his place on the team (or Trip takes his place and they both join the team). Another highly recognizable face will only help this show.
The best part of the episode for me was definitely Skye's Nazi rant. Also, that small moment between Mike/Dethlok and Ward at the end. I'm very interested to see what happens once he gets that chip/eyepiece/bomb out of his head.
The special effects were laughably bad at the end. My god. It was just so poorly done. If you can't shoot something on a TV budget...please do something else rather than half-assing what should be a film sequence.
As for TAHITI...very interesting indeed. I loved the final, "Huh."
Roll call: can we PLEASE make Cobie Smulders a full time cast member already? Have her kill Ward, take his place on the team (or Trip takes his place and they both join the team). Another highly recognizable face will only help this show.
Live reviewing again...
All in all, great episode. Only 2 left 
HQ AoS wallpapers y'all: http://imgur.com/a/Ij1a0
Man-Thing reference!
I'm a bit confused by the timeline. Only a few days have passed since the Triskelion battle, and since then Hill already works for Stark, had a Congress meeting and talks to Pepper like they're friends?
So May knows about the blue alien? I don't remember Coulson telling anyone but Skye (right?). But then again I have really bad memory for stuff like that.
Fitz really hates Trip lol
Skye officially rules. Most of the time, we were told how she's so awesome and smart and now she's finally showing it. Genius way to leave a message for the team! And also a brilliant idea for the coordinates!
I hate that bastard Ward. Smugfaced motherfucker. How the hell did he notice she has a gun? Such awkward scenes between the two of them. I think Ward's genuinely afraid of something bad happening to him if he doesn't finish the job.
I didn't expect such an angry reaction from Fitz. Don't know if it's anger because things won't stay the same (Ward won't come back, Trip's staying) or because of Ward's betrayal. Probably both.
Also, for a moment I thought they'll think that May killed Koenig. Phew.
"I should have knocked on wood just then" LOL
Ward doesn't even look at Skye's computer screen. There must be a way to contact the base with the laptop. Grrrrr.
"I wish this bunker had a bunker" LOL
"If I come out will you shoot me? Cause then I won't come out"
Based on what she said at the beginning, I was convinced May dug out Nick Fury's casket. But LOL, when Fury said he buried the intel when he buried Coulson, he wasn't speaking in metaphors, brilliant!
Hill screwed everything up by bringing Talbot... I don't understand why she did it. I mean, yeah, she needed to reveal some intel to remain free, but still... Why'd she do this to Coulson? Also, Talbot only came with 4 soldeirs, stupid idiot.
Skye hit a nerve with Ward there... and WOO-HOO YOU'RE BUSTED WARD!!!!!
"Garrett says you have 5 minutes" So he's obviously giving him orders through the eye thing.
Tough Skye, Ward taught her well
That scene between them is awesome, great acting by both of them.
Oh come on Skye! I thought you were smarter than that. Uggggghhhhhhhhhh. Ward killed all those people in cold blood and now you took pity on him. COME ON!
Coulson to the rescue!!!!! HELL YEAH!
Why didn't they send Trip though? He's younger and stronger than Coulson. Though Coulson's smarter. Hmmmmm.
Lola to the rescue! Fuck yeah, finally they're using it again OK, CGI's bad, but it's a TV show not a big budget movie. So it doesn't matter to me.
So the bus is gone? Good. I didn't expect them to use it forever. Will be interesting to see how they'll operate from now on.
Poor Coulson Everyone thinks he's dead, his life's work's gone...
Whaaaaat. So... he basically did this to himself?
I'm a bit confused by the timeline. Only a few days have passed since the Triskelion battle, and since then Hill already works for Stark, had a Congress meeting and talks to Pepper like they're friends?
So May knows about the blue alien? I don't remember Coulson telling anyone but Skye (right?). But then again I have really bad memory for stuff like that.
Fitz really hates Trip lol
Skye officially rules. Most of the time, we were told how she's so awesome and smart and now she's finally showing it. Genius way to leave a message for the team! And also a brilliant idea for the coordinates!
I hate that bastard Ward. Smugfaced motherfucker. How the hell did he notice she has a gun? Such awkward scenes between the two of them. I think Ward's genuinely afraid of something bad happening to him if he doesn't finish the job.
I didn't expect such an angry reaction from Fitz. Don't know if it's anger because things won't stay the same (Ward won't come back, Trip's staying) or because of Ward's betrayal. Probably both.
Also, for a moment I thought they'll think that May killed Koenig. Phew.
"I should have knocked on wood just then" LOL
Ward doesn't even look at Skye's computer screen. There must be a way to contact the base with the laptop. Grrrrr.
"I wish this bunker had a bunker" LOL
"If I come out will you shoot me? Cause then I won't come out"
Based on what she said at the beginning, I was convinced May dug out Nick Fury's casket. But LOL, when Fury said he buried the intel when he buried Coulson, he wasn't speaking in metaphors, brilliant!
Hill screwed everything up by bringing Talbot... I don't understand why she did it. I mean, yeah, she needed to reveal some intel to remain free, but still... Why'd she do this to Coulson? Also, Talbot only came with 4 soldeirs, stupid idiot.
Skye hit a nerve with Ward there... and WOO-HOO YOU'RE BUSTED WARD!!!!!
"Garrett says you have 5 minutes" So he's obviously giving him orders through the eye thing.
Tough Skye, Ward taught her well
That scene between them is awesome, great acting by both of them.
Oh come on Skye! I thought you were smarter than that. Uggggghhhhhhhhhh. Ward killed all those people in cold blood and now you took pity on him. COME ON!
Coulson to the rescue!!!!! HELL YEAH!
Why didn't they send Trip though? He's younger and stronger than Coulson. Though Coulson's smarter. Hmmmmm.
Lola to the rescue! Fuck yeah, finally they're using it again
OK, CGI's bad, but it's a TV show not a big budget movie. So it doesn't matter to me.So the bus is gone? Good. I didn't expect them to use it forever. Will be interesting to see how they'll operate from now on.
Poor Coulson
Everyone thinks he's dead, his life's work's gone...Whaaaaat. So... he basically did this to himself?
HQ AoS wallpapers y'all: http://imgur.com/a/Ij1a0
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Crimson Idol
Caveman
Fitz has had some really great moments recently. I think his anger is part that he was fooled and betrayed after their bonding mission, and part that he had grown to like Ward more just because he wasn't Trip, so he feels a bit stupid. He wasn't in this episode much but that ending with Simmons was quite sweet.
Lots of Coulson one liners in there, awesome.
Lola scene... eh, the bad CGI was bad but liveable. Bit overly cliched scene with the almost falling out mid-air, jets coming on just before they hit the ground etc... but I could cope with it all, until that god damn "that'll be $20" line and Skye's hair >.< It just took it too far. Ideally I think it should've been that the jet's came on straight away but it was simply going too fast to slow down right away, have them come down more on an angle and crash but sort of skid along the ground into a wall, going slow enough that they didn't get hurt too much and lola wasn't in too much of a bad shape, with none of the cheesy after part. It would add more damage to Lola (more vengeance for Coulson!) and be a bit less cliche cheese. Overall this was the only scene I didn't enjoy in the episode.
"Stark would take you in a heartbeat" Maybe... he might be more interested to know why he's alive first
Maria Hill was a bit less strict than normal, closer to her Robin persona. Loved the whole 'sigh these agencies are all so bad' thing. Privatising world security? Could this be a hint towards A:AoU?
Mike seemed to be getting a little pissed off with Shield, I was wondering the other day if he really thought all of this was worth it to him, thinking that with the way he wanted to be a hero for his son that he would eventually decide it's better to die than to be this killing machine... but now there looks to be some anger there to explain it.
TAHITI... well well. Coulson says shut it down, and Fury uses it to bring him back, perhaps the biggest possible way to go against his wishes? He was right though, it had bad effects on the subject! To revive a fallen avenger, but it was put through testing before the Avengers were even a thing, probably between the events of Thor and TA, it can't have been too close to TA though because they scrapped the Avengers plan in the end didn't they? So either there's someone else out there who they classed as an Avenger and is dead, or it was pre-emptive (I'm assuming the latter). The whole "Huh" ending was perfect Coulson
Lots of Coulson one liners in there, awesome.
Lola scene... eh, the bad CGI was bad but liveable. Bit overly cliched scene with the almost falling out mid-air, jets coming on just before they hit the ground etc... but I could cope with it all, until that god damn "that'll be $20" line and Skye's hair >.< It just took it too far. Ideally I think it should've been that the jet's came on straight away but it was simply going too fast to slow down right away, have them come down more on an angle and crash but sort of skid along the ground into a wall, going slow enough that they didn't get hurt too much and lola wasn't in too much of a bad shape, with none of the cheesy after part. It would add more damage to Lola (more vengeance for Coulson!) and be a bit less cliche cheese. Overall this was the only scene I didn't enjoy in the episode.
"Stark would take you in a heartbeat" Maybe... he might be more interested to know why he's alive first
Maria Hill was a bit less strict than normal, closer to her Robin persona. Loved the whole 'sigh these agencies are all so bad' thing. Privatising world security? Could this be a hint towards A:AoU?
Mike seemed to be getting a little pissed off with Shield, I was wondering the other day if he really thought all of this was worth it to him, thinking that with the way he wanted to be a hero for his son that he would eventually decide it's better to die than to be this killing machine... but now there looks to be some anger there to explain it.
TAHITI... well well. Coulson says shut it down, and Fury uses it to bring him back, perhaps the biggest possible way to go against his wishes?
He was right though, it had bad effects on the subject! To revive a fallen avenger, but it was put through testing before the Avengers were even a thing, probably between the events of Thor and TA, it can't have been too close to TA though because they scrapped the Avengers plan in the end didn't they? So either there's someone else out there who they classed as an Avenger and is dead, or it was pre-emptive (I'm assuming the latter). The whole "Huh" ending was perfect Coulson Now begins the week long wait, curse you TV!
On TAHITI...
Probably the TAHITI program began after Iron Man 2, so yeah, before Thor. I'd expect that it was shut down shortly beforehand, but that's not the reason for Coulson's horrified look when he sees his own admission to what the TAHITI program is. It's because he did that to Skye, and now he expects Skye to have that same plunge that he talked about in the video. I don't think she will, though.
Probably the TAHITI program began after Iron Man 2, so yeah, before Thor. I'd expect that it was shut down shortly beforehand, but that's not the reason for Coulson's horrified look when he sees his own admission to what the TAHITI program is. It's because he did that to Skye, and now he expects Skye to have that same plunge that he talked about in the video. I don't think she will, though.
Crimson Idol
Caveman
IM2/Thor/TIH are all meant to happen during the same week btw, during IM2 Coulson leaves to go to New Mexico looking for Thor's hammer, and the events of TIH are seen on the news. There's an Avengers prelude comic that covers the year from those 3 films up to Avengers, but obviously doesn't include TAHITI.
His precise transcript btw:
“Director Fury, I regret to inform you that I’m handing in my resignation. I know that you brought me on to Project Tahiti, because you trusted my judgement. And it’s that judgement that is telling me that I can no longer in good conscience let the testing continue. I understand that you started the program to potentially save a mortally wounded Avenger, but the side effects are too extreme. We had initial success with the regenerative properties of the guest host tissue, but after the initial physical recovery, the subjects began to deteriorate mentally, displaying hypergraphia, aphasia, catatonia, or just complete psychosis. We don’t know if it was the biology at play or simply the awareness of what was done, but the only course of action that showed any promise of stemming this side effects was memory replacement, erasing completely the awareness of what they had been through. And even those results were very inconsistent. To be clear, I’m recommending the termination of Project Tahiti. Under no circumstances should these procedures or drugs be administered to anyone for the cost is far too great. Thank you, sir.”
He says they weren't sure if it was due to the drug or the awareness, but in his case (the whole "let me die" thing) I would argue that it was due to the knowledge of what happened - i.e being dead, the doctor said he had lost the will to live - whereas Skye never died. Her 084 status will play into the drug itself having no side effects though I'd imagine.
His resignation I assume was only from the TAHITI project, because he was still working for shield during the Avengers, and clearly he can't have resigned while dead so it would make no sense otherwise. His involvement explains why the guard recognised him though!
I thought he looked mostly confused rather than horrified. Sort of a "What? It was me? ... why would I do that?"
His precise transcript btw:
“Director Fury, I regret to inform you that I’m handing in my resignation. I know that you brought me on to Project Tahiti, because you trusted my judgement. And it’s that judgement that is telling me that I can no longer in good conscience let the testing continue. I understand that you started the program to potentially save a mortally wounded Avenger, but the side effects are too extreme. We had initial success with the regenerative properties of the guest host tissue, but after the initial physical recovery, the subjects began to deteriorate mentally, displaying hypergraphia, aphasia, catatonia, or just complete psychosis. We don’t know if it was the biology at play or simply the awareness of what was done, but the only course of action that showed any promise of stemming this side effects was memory replacement, erasing completely the awareness of what they had been through. And even those results were very inconsistent. To be clear, I’m recommending the termination of Project Tahiti. Under no circumstances should these procedures or drugs be administered to anyone for the cost is far too great. Thank you, sir.”
He says they weren't sure if it was due to the drug or the awareness, but in his case (the whole "let me die" thing) I would argue that it was due to the knowledge of what happened - i.e being dead, the doctor said he had lost the will to live - whereas Skye never died. Her 084 status will play into the drug itself having no side effects though I'd imagine.
His resignation I assume was only from the TAHITI project, because he was still working for shield during the Avengers, and clearly he can't have resigned while dead so it would make no sense otherwise. His involvement explains why the guard recognised him though!
I thought he looked mostly confused rather than horrified. Sort of a "What? It was me? ... why would I do that?"
Re: Next week, if you've seen the preview bit at the end of this weeks
Ward seems to be having second thoughts, partially due to Skye and partially due to him being expendable(ish) in this weeks. I guess him and Garrett are going to have some sort of confrontation.
It looks like we see a flashback as to how Garrett came to Ward and what he owes him for, and there looks to be a gun involved. My current theory is that one of them shot Ward's brother, so either he saved Ward, or he kept Ward from going away.
It looks like we see a flashback as to how Garrett came to Ward and what he owes him for, and there looks to be a gun involved. My current theory is that one of them shot Ward's brother, so either he saved Ward, or he kept Ward from going away.
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Crimson Idol
Caveman
Rofl, making FitzSimmons feel inferior whilst making Coulson and May look nerdy, awesome! That gun name sounded awfully familiar
And the second sneak peek: http://herocomplex.latimes.com/tv/a...ce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=57774#/0
Crimson Idol
Caveman
No concrete info, but potential spoilers about the events of next 2 eps, a page from a TV guide or something
Crimson Idol
Caveman
Penultimate episode tonight, and there's one thing still intriguing me that I expect to be expanded upon in these last two episodes...
"You're a terrible liar agent Simmons"
"I know, but I'm getting better at it"
"You're a terrible liar agent Simmons"
"I know, but I'm getting better at it"
Moon Child
Ancient Mariner
Just came back from seeing Amazing Spider-Man 2 and it was.....amazing! I did enjoy it a lot. Cap 2 is still the best so far this year with the Marvel movies and right now, Spider-Man comes in 2nd but we still have X-Men and Guardians of the Galaxy yet which I have no doubt that either of those might bop Spider-Man down a few.
I did enjoy it a lot. Cap 2 is still the best so far this year with the Marvel movies and right now, Spider-Man comes in 2nd but we still have X-Men and Guardians of the Galaxy yet which I have no doubt that either of those might bop Spider-Man down a few.
Ward burned down his family's house and almost burned his brother to death. Whoa. Garrett getting him out.
Live review time!!!
Garrett drops the bomb quickly. Man, how else is Young Ward going to react. Of course he'll say yes.
Drama! Military attacking the prison! So cool so far.
Dethlok kills a druglord...interesting. And they are summarizing everything for you guys. PAY ATTENTION.
Using streamed video of Mike's son to keep him going...wow...this is so cold. Garrett is SO cold.
Coulson and Trip bonding over Howling Commandos gear. That's AWESOME. I wish they'd reveal if his grandfather is Gabe or the French guy.
Flashback #2 time. Garrett and Ward hunting. Curious what will occur.
This is some hardcore bullshit from Garrett. But Ward obviously comes out intact, yet...tougher. So I guess it works.
LOL May and Coulson pretending to be nerds.
I really, really like Deathlok. Peterson is a great antagonist.
GARRETT WAS THE FIRST DEATHLOK!!!
LOL file transfer.
Garrett bullying Ward. Incredible to see how Garrett treats him. Just an abuser.
Then Garrett collapses...he wants this for himself. This whole thing, Centipede, all of it, is for him.
Pablo Jiminez? lol
Skye's parents are monsters? Where is this going....
I'm sorry, young Garrett. Tacos do not make up for such things.
Oh. he lied.
GOAL! Habs score! Sorry, not switching threads and I have the game up on my monitor.
Garrett hates SHIELD. interesting....hard to blame him.
WW2 takin' down the bus.
Take care of Buddy. That's...fucking...cold. Garrett is a brutal mastermind.
"That's not a weakness, is it?" Asshole.
It is a weakness. Or is it?
OK, in real life Fitzsimmons would be turned to goo by that.
That's a lot of Deathloks. And Quinn is selling them. Scary!
I liked that episode, but not great...Ward could very well be going back to good. I hope he gets killed instead.
Live review time!!!
Garrett drops the bomb quickly. Man, how else is Young Ward going to react. Of course he'll say yes.
Drama! Military attacking the prison! So cool so far.
Dethlok kills a druglord...interesting. And they are summarizing everything for you guys. PAY ATTENTION.
Using streamed video of Mike's son to keep him going...wow...this is so cold. Garrett is SO cold.
Coulson and Trip bonding over Howling Commandos gear. That's AWESOME. I wish they'd reveal if his grandfather is Gabe or the French guy.
Flashback #2 time. Garrett and Ward hunting. Curious what will occur.
This is some hardcore bullshit from Garrett. But Ward obviously comes out intact, yet...tougher. So I guess it works.
LOL May and Coulson pretending to be nerds.
I really, really like Deathlok. Peterson is a great antagonist.
GARRETT WAS THE FIRST DEATHLOK!!!
LOL file transfer.
Garrett bullying Ward. Incredible to see how Garrett treats him. Just an abuser.
Then Garrett collapses...he wants this for himself. This whole thing, Centipede, all of it, is for him.
Pablo Jiminez? lol
Skye's parents are monsters? Where is this going....
I'm sorry, young Garrett. Tacos do not make up for such things.
Oh. he lied.
GOAL! Habs score! Sorry, not switching threads and I have the game up on my monitor.
Garrett hates SHIELD. interesting....hard to blame him.
WW2 takin' down the bus.
Take care of Buddy. That's...fucking...cold. Garrett is a brutal mastermind.
"That's not a weakness, is it?" Asshole.
It is a weakness. Or is it?
OK, in real life Fitzsimmons would be turned to goo by that.
That's a lot of Deathloks. And Quinn is selling them. Scary!
I liked that episode, but not great...Ward could very well be going back to good. I hope he gets killed instead.
Crimson Idol
Caveman
SUPER GARRETT VS MONSTER SKYE!!! FIGHT!
Ward will refuse to kill soon I reckon, he wouldn't kill the dog, and I think he chose to ditch FitzSimmons like that because he knew they would make it but be out of the way. I don't see the others trusting him, so I see it as redemption death.
Worked out Garrett was first Deathlok, but only about 30 seconds before so its a kinda lame victory, when they said 1990. I've seen loads of people reckon that the GH-325 was to revive Nash "the real clairvoyant" on other forums but tbh always thought that was just stupid, it was all for Garrett and that's as expected, no disappointments there.
Simmons "Oh Fitz" with his fire mishap, heh. Call back to Fitz "I plan on being a bit part of that", almost killing Garrett. Who knew!
Did I see Centipede soldiers with a berserker staff at the end there? Nasty
Ward will refuse to kill soon I reckon, he wouldn't kill the dog, and I think he chose to ditch FitzSimmons like that because he knew they would make it but be out of the way. I don't see the others trusting him, so I see it as redemption death.
Worked out Garrett was first Deathlok, but only about 30 seconds before so its a kinda lame victory, when they said 1990. I've seen loads of people reckon that the GH-325 was to revive Nash "the real clairvoyant" on other forums but tbh always thought that was just stupid, it was all for Garrett and that's as expected, no disappointments there.
Simmons "Oh Fitz" with his fire mishap, heh. Call back to Fitz "I plan on being a bit part of that", almost killing Garrett. Who knew!
Did I see Centipede soldiers with a berserker staff at the end there? Nasty
There wasn't really enough interesting stuff for a live review Good episode, but weakest of the Uprising. #BuddyLives?
Good episode, but weakest of the Uprising. #BuddyLives?
MrKnickerbocker
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I liked the episode, but it definitely felt like the setup. Most of these types of shows (or just Whedon shows) have a pretty unspectacular Episode 21 so that 22 can be insane. There were lot of great character moments here, though, especially with Fitz. May's talk with Skye was great. Also, May and Coulsen undercover was hilarious. I'm really hoping for some movement on the Mike/Deathlok front soon. He needs to revolt already!
Did Raina say she was an O-84? Sure sounded like it to me.