The MAIDEN Years: 2018/19/20/21/22/ad infinitum (Rock in Rio and Nights of the Dead)

I did a write up on this over on the TFX thread but suffice to say I agree with most of what you've written. It's my least favourite Maiden album and the only one I really struggle to listen to.

Of the two Blaze albums, he sounds best on this one and his voice works fine for the material.
Couldn't disagree more.

By VXI the band (and Steve in particular) now had a couple of years with Blaze under their belt and as a result, had a better understanding of his strengths and weaknesses. Hence why most of the songs on VXI are written to accommodate his voice.

Nowhere on that album does he strain and struggle anything like as bad as he does on The Unbeliever for example. And he's in-tune a lot more.

He's just outright dreadful on TXF and the blame for that mostly belongs to Steve.
 
I did a write up on this over on the TFX thread but suffice to say I agree with most of what you've written. It's my least favourite Maiden album and the only one I really struggle to listen to.


Couldn't disagree more.

By VXI the band (and Steve in particular) now had a couple of years with Blaze under their belt and as a result, had a better understanding of his strengths and weaknesses. Hence why most of the songs on VXI are written to accommodate his voice.

Nowhere on that album does he strain and struggle anything like as bad as he does on The Unbeliever for example. And he's in-tune a lot more.

He's just outright dreadful on TXF and the blame for that mostly belongs to Steve.
I'd say there's a bit of vocal strain on the chorus of Lightning Strikes Twice and the 'We can't let them taaaaake' anymore part on The Clansman. But yeah, lots more vocal strain on TXF but I have to say I do prefer that album.
 
Getting ahead of myself here, but on Virtual XI Steve went back to writing up tempo rockers that were much more suitable to Bruce’s range. Songs like Futureal, Clansman, and Lightning Strikes Twice are ridiculous for Blaze’s voice and expose his limitations a lot more than X Facfor does.
 
Getting ahead of myself here, but on Virtual XI Steve went back to writing up tempo rockers that were much more suitable to Bruce’s range. Songs like Futureal, Clansman, and Lightning Strikes Twice are ridiculous for Blaze’s voice and expose his limitations a lot more than X Facfor does.
What's wrong with the singing on Futureal? Doesn't sound out of key to me.
 
Getting ahead of myself here, but on Virtual XI Steve went back to writing up tempo rockers that were much more suitable to Bruce’s range. Songs like Futureal, Clansman, and Lightning Strikes Twice are ridiculous for Blaze’s voice and expose his limitations a lot more than X Facfor does.
Blaze slays on Futureal and The Clansman. They're all sung well within his range. There's no upper B/Em notes that broke his voice all over TXF.

Lightning Strikes Twice does have a couple of high notes in the chorus that he struggles with, as does The Educated Fool but he hits those far more successfully this time round. My guess would be more takes in the studio. Or that his vocal technique had improved after a year touring with the band.
 
Skunkworks
Still trying to carve out an identity outside Maiden, Bruce went for yet another direction change for his third solo album. This one is by far the most drastic and most outside the heavy metal box. Apparently Steve Harris said at the time that Bruce would make a country album if he thought it would sell. It’s an interesting thought, and also fair. Bruce’s first three solo albums do seem to be reactions to musical trends that were happening at the time. Where Tattooed Millionaire and Balls to Picasso at least seem satellite to what we’re used to with Bruce, Skunkworks does seem pretty out of left field. But, like its predecessors, Bruce manages to do this sort of thing competently. I mentioned in an early post that Bruce’s solo albums were more interesting to me largely because of the people he worked with, I think this also explains how he was able to try so many different things and always make it work. He has a knack for choosing the right people for these different projects. If you’re going to make a modern sounding alt rock album, what better person to work with than Jack Endino, producer of the first Nirvana album? And listening to the album (in addition to a lot of the live tracks from the Balls to Picasso tour) it’s pretty clear that this isn’t really a group of metal musicians he’s dealing with.

I really enjoy Skunkworks, but I also tend to enjoy a lot of the 90s rock that Bruce is trying to emulate. It’s not the best that genre has to offer, but it’s a competent effort and, like Tattooed Millionaire, it’s a different take on the sound as a result of Bruce’s influences. It’s cool to hear him in another context. The style also lends itself more to songwriting, which is somewhat new for Bruce. Songs where the lyrical content and vocals are the main drivers. Songs like Dreamstate and I Will Not Accept The Truth which play more on dynamics and painting a picture based on the lyrics.

The songs on here are really strong. Like Balls to Picasso, you can hear the hunger of the young musicians Bruce is working with. Inside the Machine, Back From the Edge, Innerspace, and Inertia are some of the best songs Bruce ever worked on. On the other hand, this album is a bit heavier on filler material than Bruce’s other solo albums, but overall the good outweighs the bad. It’s pretty well known that Bruce wanted Skunkworks to be a new band. This definitely feels more like a debut album for a band than any other Bruce solo album. The general idea is there, the music is somewhat homogenous sounding, there isn’t a strong thematic structure as much as it sounds like a compilation of the best a young band has to offer. I imagine the follow up album would’ve been more focused and refined.

This brings me to my food for thought for Skunkworks: what would’ve happened with Bruce’s career if Skunkworks had become a huge success and the band stayed together? To go back to the original Steve Harris quote, Bruce’s decision to split up the band by the end of the year seems pretty reactionary and seems to support that the change in sound was commercially motivated. Interviews both from the time period and from later seem to suggest that he genuinely did see longer term prospects for this group.

Personally, I think a successful Skunkworks would’ve resulted in Bruce being seen as a Peter Gabriel like figure: someone who had quite a bit of success in a band but then really blossomed as a solo artist. Someone who wasn’t afraid to try new things and was rewarded for it by general audiences. Sure Peter Gabriel’s work as a solo artist was more commercial, but in some ways he also invented the sound of 80s pop. He was ahead of the curve. I think there’s a universe where Bruce has a similar footing in alternative rock music. Skunkworks is quite different from other 90s bands, it’s a little grittier and Bruce has a bit more to offer as a vocalist than a lot of other folks who fronted these sorts of bands. I also think that maybe the direction Bruce was going for is closer to what Radiohead was doing, and OK Computer was still a whole year away. I’m sure he would’ve been interested in that sound if he stayed in the alt rock scene.

Of course that also means Bruce probably would’ve never rejoined Maiden, and I think Maiden’s legacy would’ve probably shrunk, especially if Bruce started to see some actual commercial success as a solo artist. Where Peter Gabriel and Genesis seemed to be better off without each other, I’m not sure Maiden ever would’ve recovered without a reunion with Bruce.

It’s interesting to think about, but I have to say I’m pretty happy with the way things turned out.

Live At Santiago Chile
There’s a lot of quality material out there from the X Factour, including some pretty good pro shot footage. This is a full show from the end of the tour and captures the band in a pretty positive light. Based on this show, you probably wouldn’t guess that Maiden were on a commercial decline. They’re playing to a large audience and the performance is super energetic. This is a pretty feisty show too, it’s probably more infamous than famous due to an incident at the end of the show where Blaze was spat on by an audience member. While the incident is pretty incredible to watch on video, it’s a little unfortunate that this is what most people remember from the concert because it’s actually a pretty good performance.

The band sounds extremely energized, especially compared to the previous tour. If they were feeling dejected after playing smaller clubs in the US, you can’t tell from this footage. Janick, Dave, and Steve are having a ton of fun onstage and they sound as tight as they did in the early 80s. Some of the tempos are faster, but they aren’t off the rails the way they were in 92 and 93. The material from The X Factor is way more enjoyable live. You finally hear the power of the music and some of these songs are surprisingly energetic live. It also shows off the intricacy of guitar parts. Finally Janick/Dave are working out a chemistry akin to what the band experienced with Adrian/Dave.

Of course the thing that people are going to pay the most attention to is Blaze’s performance. Frankly, the biggest factor in assessing Blaze’s lack of fitness for Maiden is really the live performance. As a frontman, he wasn’t great. He seems very inwardly focused, understandable considering he was probably overwhelmed the entire time. As far as the vocal performance goes, Maiden really didn’t do him any favors with the song selection. They chose songs which were clearly out of his range and didn’t do anything to make the songs fit his voice better. One of the bigger head scratchers to me is that they didn’t lean into the Di’Anno era more.
Lots of underplayed songs from the first two albums would’ve sounded great with Blaze. Plus it would’ve been great promo for the tour. Come see Maiden play 5 songs each from the debut and Killers, or something. Instead they made The Trooper a centerpiece when it was one of Blaze’s weakest songs.

That said, Blaze handles the two songs from Fear of the Dark pretty well and even Heaven Can Wait isn’t terrible. What gets me is actually how poorly he handles his own songs. He’s frequently off pitch during several X Factor songs. The “out of his range” argument works for Dickinson era songs, but not so much on songs that he helped write. This has less to do with his voice and more due to the fact that Maiden were bringing in a fairly young and inexperienced singer on a grueling world tour for the first time in his career. On the other hand, Bruce also didn’t sound great live for a large part of his first stint with Maiden. I guess the difference is that Bruce had proven himself for the most part, live and in studio. Blaze had an iffy start both live and in studio. The subsequent album and tour would need to be pivotal, but we all know how that turned out. More on that later!
 
Bruce’s decision to split up the band by the end of the year seems pretty reactionary and seems to support that the change in sound was commercially motivated.
I think the problem was that the Skunkworks band had other musical aspirations and that led to the breakup, not an intent on Bruce’s part. If you hear some of the later stuff they did after parting ways, it’s a lot more comedic, whereas Bruce is a storyteller with more serious inclinations. Skunkworks was an important excising of personal demons and I love it. There’s a couple filler tracks but by and large it’s fantastic and easily the best album he released beyond AoB and TCW.

Also, the poor success of this album, the band breaking up, and other personal hurdles actually had Bruce contemplating if he wanted to quit music altogether. It wasn’t until Roy Z played that “Accident of Birth” riff for him until he finally struck gold. I don’t think Skunkworks broke up because Bruce was following trends; if anything, I think he was the one who wanted to keep them glued together and felt as though the ground was crumbling beneath him at the same time.
 
Skunkworks
Still trying to carve out an identity outside Maiden, Bruce went for yet another direction change for his third solo album. This one is by far the most drastic and most outside the heavy metal box. Apparently Steve Harris said at the time that Bruce would make a country album if he thought it would sell. It’s an interesting thought, and also fair. Bruce’s first three solo albums do seem to be reactions to musical trends that were happening at the time. Where Tattooed Millionaire and Balls to Picasso at least seem satellite to what we’re used to with Bruce, Skunkworks does seem pretty out of left field. But, like its predecessors, Bruce manages to do this sort of thing competently. I mentioned in an early post that Bruce’s solo albums were more interesting to me largely because of the people he worked with, I think this also explains how he was able to try so many different things and always make it work. He has a knack for choosing the right people for these different projects. If you’re going to make a modern sounding alt rock album, what better person to work with than Jack Endino, producer of the first Nirvana album? And listening to the album (in addition to a lot of the live tracks from the Balls to Picasso tour) it’s pretty clear that this isn’t really a group of metal musicians he’s dealing with.

I really enjoy Skunkworks, but I also tend to enjoy a lot of the 90s rock that Bruce is trying to emulate. It’s not the best that genre has to offer, but it’s a competent effort and, like Tattooed Millionaire, it’s a different take on the sound as a result of Bruce’s influences. It’s cool to hear him in another context. The style also lends itself more to songwriting, which is somewhat new for Bruce. Songs where the lyrical content and vocals are the main drivers. Songs like Dreamstate and I Will Not Accept The Truth which play more on dynamics and painting a picture based on the lyrics.

The songs on here are really strong. Like Balls to Picasso, you can hear the hunger of the young musicians Bruce is working with. Inside the Machine, Back From the Edge, Innerspace, and Inertia are some of the best songs Bruce ever worked on. On the other hand, this album is a bit heavier on filler material than Bruce’s other solo albums, but overall the good outweighs the bad. It’s pretty well known that Bruce wanted Skunkworks to be a new band. This definitely feels more like a debut album for a band than any other Bruce solo album. The general idea is there, the music is somewhat homogenous sounding, there isn’t a strong thematic structure as much as it sounds like a compilation of the best a young band has to offer. I imagine the follow up album would’ve been more focused and refined.

This brings me to my food for thought for Skunkworks: what would’ve happened with Bruce’s career if Skunkworks had become a huge success and the band stayed together? To go back to the original Steve Harris quote, Bruce’s decision to split up the band by the end of the year seems pretty reactionary and seems to support that the change in sound was commercially motivated. Interviews both from the time period and from later seem to suggest that he genuinely did see longer term prospects for this group.

Personally, I think a successful Skunkworks would’ve resulted in Bruce being seen as a Peter Gabriel like figure: someone who had quite a bit of success in a band but then really blossomed as a solo artist. Someone who wasn’t afraid to try new things and was rewarded for it by general audiences. Sure Peter Gabriel’s work as a solo artist was more commercial, but in some ways he also invented the sound of 80s pop. He was ahead of the curve. I think there’s a universe where Bruce has a similar footing in alternative rock music. Skunkworks is quite different from other 90s bands, it’s a little grittier and Bruce has a bit more to offer as a vocalist than a lot of other folks who fronted these sorts of bands. I also think that maybe the direction Bruce was going for is closer to what Radiohead was doing, and OK Computer was still a whole year away. I’m sure he would’ve been interested in that sound if he stayed in the alt rock scene.

Of course that also means Bruce probably would’ve never rejoined Maiden, and I think Maiden’s legacy would’ve probably shrunk, especially if Bruce started to see some actual commercial success as a solo artist. Where Peter Gabriel and Genesis seemed to be better off without each other, I’m not sure Maiden ever would’ve recovered without a reunion with Bruce.

It’s interesting to think about, but I have to say I’m pretty happy with the way things turned out.

Live At Santiago Chile
There’s a lot of quality material out there from the X Factour, including some pretty good pro shot footage. This is a full show from the end of the tour and captures the band in a pretty positive light. Based on this show, you probably wouldn’t guess that Maiden were on a commercial decline. They’re playing to a large audience and the performance is super energetic. This is a pretty feisty show too, it’s probably more infamous than famous due to an incident at the end of the show where Blaze was spat on by an audience member. While the incident is pretty incredible to watch on video, it’s a little unfortunate that this is what most people remember from the concert because it’s actually a pretty good performance.

The band sounds extremely energized, especially compared to the previous tour. If they were feeling dejected after playing smaller clubs in the US, you can’t tell from this footage. Janick, Dave, and Steve are having a ton of fun onstage and they sound as tight as they did in the early 80s. Some of the tempos are faster, but they aren’t off the rails the way they were in 92 and 93. The material from The X Factor is way more enjoyable live. You finally hear the power of the music and some of these songs are surprisingly energetic live. It also shows off the intricacy of guitar parts. Finally Janick/Dave are working out a chemistry akin to what the band experienced with Adrian/Dave.

Of course the thing that people are going to pay the most attention to is Blaze’s performance. Frankly, the biggest factor in assessing Blaze’s lack of fitness for Maiden is really the live performance. As a frontman, he wasn’t great. He seems very inwardly focused, understandable considering he was probably overwhelmed the entire time. As far as the vocal performance goes, Maiden really didn’t do him any favors with the song selection. They chose songs which were clearly out of his range and didn’t do anything to make the songs fit his voice better. One of the bigger head scratchers to me is that they didn’t lean into the Di’Anno era more.
Lots of underplayed songs from the first two albums would’ve sounded great with Blaze. Plus it would’ve been great promo for the tour. Come see Maiden play 5 songs each from the debut and Killers, or something. Instead they made The Trooper a centerpiece when it was one of Blaze’s weakest songs.

That said, Blaze handles the two songs from Fear of the Dark pretty well and even Heaven Can Wait isn’t terrible. What gets me is actually how poorly he handles his own songs. He’s frequently off pitch during several X Factor songs. The “out of his range” argument works for Dickinson era songs, but not so much on songs that he helped write. This has less to do with his voice and more due to the fact that Maiden were bringing in a fairly young and inexperienced singer on a grueling world tour for the first time in his career. On the other hand, Bruce also didn’t sound great live for a large part of his first stint with Maiden. I guess the difference is that Bruce had proven himself for the most part, live and in studio. Blaze had an iffy start both live and in studio. The subsequent album and tour would need to be pivotal, but we all know how that turned out. More on that later!
You said everything and said it very well.
My favorite Skunkworks songs are:

Solar Confinement
Meltdown
Innerspace
Strange Death in Paradise
 
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I like Blaze but on stage he was a big joke with cap, playing air drums and guitar, akward clapping standing at one place and that strap for mic..
 
This is the album where Bruce had the "balls" to do something different, according to that era. He said in interviews that the album contains drum patterns and rythms that were unimaginable on a Maiden record. In this era, after Bruce's departure too, Maiden just vanished off the radar. Metal in general had a low point. When this album was released, it was a breath of fresh air, I was really looking forward to what Bruce had to offer. The album is not that consistent, but I liked the change in sound as well as the creative freshness of the songs. Also, it introduced Roy Z to the wider audiences. The songwriting trio of Adrian, Roy Z and Bruce is still unmatched to this day in my book. The album produced the biggest "hit" of his solo career, Tears of the Dragon, which was all over music TV back in the days. He wanted to express his creativity which he could not fully express (to say the least) in Maiden and adapt to the change of times.
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That's the essence. More meaningful than (thoughts about) the title.
 
I can't fathom anyone thinking that Fear of the Dark either doesn't sound good or has a bad drum or guitar sound. The entire album is just an absolute monster of sound. The drums are heavy and sharp, the guitars and also heavy as fuck. That opening riff of The Fugitive is almost up there with Montsegur as some of the heaviest shit they did. It's also the album where, for better or for worse, they tried new things that they'd never really try again. That 70s hard rock vibe on some songs and some of the jagged riffing on tracks like The Apparition. It's not their best work, but it's adventurous and a fantastic driving album.
Word. Sums up exactly my idea about it.
Although there were also new ideas (blueprints), stylistically, the band have kept.

An album to be admired for several reasons.
 
A Real Live Dead One
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Unfortunately, this isn’t really known for being Maiden’s best period as a live band. Bruce announced his intentions to leave the band ahead of the A Real Live Tour and his performances on the tour were spotty, to say the least. Furthermore, maybe it had to do with them being distracted, but frankly I don’t think the band sounded that good as a whole. Tempos are all over the place, they’re missing hits in songs they should be able to play in their sleep like Number of the Beast and The Trooper. All of that is exemplified in this live collection. I’m honestly not sure how Steve Harris managed to pick some of these performances as the best out of an entire tour. Maybe he wanted to really go for the warts and all angle, but some of these songs are extremely sloppy. They don’t represent Bruce’s worst performances, but as a whole the band doesn’t sound great on a lot of these tracks.

Does this (also) boil somewhat down to "too fast and energetic for my taste"?
And/or "I do not like how Bruce sounds"?
And/or "I do not like the rough production"?
And/or "Adrian is not on it"?
And/or "I do not like how Janick plays Adrian's solos"?

The band played fine.
If you can play fast and energetic, you are a good live band. If you need to slow it down or else you cannot keep it up, you are a lesser good live band. Of course, one (Adrian) needs room for some solo patterns, or for difficult sentences (Bruce) but the band itself played well. I never read a review in that era saying Maiden were too fast. Not in a metal mag at least, and also not on fan forums, newsgroups.
Adrian and Bruce felt comfortable with slower tempo's, and probably Nicko now as well. Since they returned, this changed and fans repeat them.
But this era was earlier. It was perfectly fine, did and does not hurt the listening pleasure if you leave out current era "views". I'm glad they did not not tame the live performance.

We get great live versions of ATSS, FOTD, The Evil, Clairvoyant, Bring Your Daughter, Tailgunner, Wasting Love and most others on this album.

Edit: the above was written with A Real Live One in my mind.
 
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Re. Skunkworks, it's surprisingly good. At the time, I foolishly dismissed it as a cynical bandwagon-jumping execrise. When I eventually picked up a second-hand copy (some time after AoB came out), I couldn't believe how good Bruce sounded. I expected indie and grunge affectations, but Bruce sounds *magnificent* (Endino's production is great). However, the album really does emphasise that Bruce's soaring voice is made for metal and not alt-rock (albeit some of Skunkworks is rather heavy).
 
The performances are mostly alright, though especially The Evil That Men Do & Tailgunner sound very tight and while a bit rough and raw, the intensity and energy is great!
The Evil is so tight. And the speed does make this more awesome. Listen to how Arry is in sync with that human driven machinegun bass drum. This song was never captured and played as well afterwards, although the band played it fine later in the nineties. I see how people could love Adrian's input in his (own) song and therefore miss him, but the rhythm performance is really something here. This was the band in 1992 and they played it fantastic. Naturally the guitars are perfectly hammered on the sides. Janick's sound is really something. There is emotion in his solo and in his harmonic contribution. Certain of his short (over)tones(?) are haunting.
 
I like Blaze but on stage he was a big joke with cap, playing air drums and guitar, akward clapping standing at one place and that strap for mic..
I only saw Wolfsbane once, when they toured with Maiden in 1990. They were rather entertaining and afterwards I bought Live Fast, Die Fast and the Kathy Wilson ep. As I recall, Blaze was a confident frontman with Wolfsbane, but awkward is the perfect description of him on stage with Maiden.
 
I never understood the fascination people have with "speed = energy". A live performance can sound energetic without the entire compositions being completely mangled from playing too fast. Maiden usually speeds things up tastefully these days, but a lot of the 80s and especially 90s takes were just straight-up too fast. It makes them play sloppier too. I'm not personally one to complain too hard about this since that's how they rolled back in those days, but I much, much prefer the more subdued, but accurate and nuanced approach they've taken in the reunion era. TETMD has never sounded better.
 
I don't see how the entire compositions were completely mangled. It is a gross exaggeration. Of course speed attributes to energy. When Maiden played Wasted Years slower than the studio version, one or two tours ago, it lacked energy. It lacked balls. It was subdued tame, it was lame. To tame a band.
TETMD has never sounded better.
If you're not particularly into the power, tightness, speed and energy (basically the essence of Maiden's live concerts in their first 25 years) this band was able to channel.

As I argued, some of these songs, particularly The Evil were not sloppy. As long as people only focus on the things they dislike, and not see what they did well, it is no wonder they are not into certain era's of this band.

Absolutely: in the last 20 years the band has built another good performance unit (it has been a different line-up, a new approach).
Although not as tight as on Rock in Rio, this line-up brought subtlety and some different colours with their guitars. The rhythm section has in my view become less interesting over the years. We hear the Nicko-Steve tandem less good. Nicko's drums sound loud, but are too dominant these days. Too big for a line-up of 6 guys. There are good things now, there are other things that were good (or better) in other eras.
 
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As I recall, Blaze was a confident frontman with Wolfsbane, but awkward is the perfect description of him on stage with Maiden.

Yep I have the live album, can't remember exact title but it was from the Marquee, and on that he is confident and even a little arrogant, sounds exactly like a top quality frontman. In Maiden he never got close to that confidence (understandbly so, they were big shoes to fill, and let's be honest a lot of the fans and media weren't rooting for him)
 
Fear of the Dark

Is Fugitive missing a guitar solo like Gangland? I hear a rhythm guitar track and a single lead lick after the first solo, but then nothing. Very strange.
I wouldn't think so. It never occured to me at least. Listening again. After the first solo you mean?
When Janick ends that solo, the next section appears, a new chord progression. In the first half you hear a short, sort of crying, guitar scream (put there, to stand out on its own). It fits well with the audible keyboard (which you could see as a "lead" instrument used in a simple manner). It's a short suspenseful interlude, with cool sturdy rhythm guitars, without focus on lead guitar. Then another section with acoustic guitar on the right side. Then another riff section, then Dave's solo in the next section.

This song is full of different ideas and it flows very well. As if the fugitive keeps running around corners, coming in new situations. I really hope Maiden can bring so much into new songs without staying long on the same melody or chord progression as e.g. in TRATB.
 
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