So, part 2 out of 2
In another trio match there's a band I used to love (Bon Jovi), a band I used to hate (Motley Crue) and a band that I couldn't be more neutral about and apart from hearing
Slave to the Grind maybe twice in my life, I don't know and I don't feel the need to know.
However - I've already written that on this forum, but I probably never heard the album
Dr. Feelgood (or the title track) before. And I'm completely taken away by this very track. Now, I suppose people hate Crue much more than the other bands of the era for various reasons - I'd guess overexposition for the Americans, distaste for their personalities (which I certainly understand) and so on, but fuck the band itself -
this song is perfect. It's slick, but doesn't sound artificial, it has a groove tighter than almos anything I've heard in this game so far, it is ridiculously catchy, but in a subtler way than for example the Bon Jovi song is... this deserves recognition. This deserves love. I'm serious. I may dislike glam in general, but this is glam perfectly done. This is the song that convinced me there might be more to the Crue than I thought and that I should probably check them out sometime.
And then there's Bon Jovi. You know, first of all, Bon Jovi might possibly be my biggest "guilty pleasure" - meaning the band I don't necessarily respect musically (apart from the undeniable penchant for melody in both songwriting and the guitars and Bongiovi's quite admirable pipes), and yet which I loved since I was a kid, I can enjoy even now and I take much more interest in than I probably should. I don't mind they started out in glam (
New Jersey is probably my peak decadence - an album I wholeheartedly love from start to finish, inane as it might be), I don't mind their switch into "
spiritual housewife rock" in the 90s, I don't mind they became the
geezers beloved by youngsters on the turn of the millennium (It seems to me rather bizarre that the crowd that partied to You Give Love a Bad Name and the crowd that partied to It's My Life are more or less a generation apart - and I was, at times, a member of the latter), I didn't mind they turned to this Americana/country/whatever they're doing now.
In fact, this very song might be the first rock song I remember hearing as a kid, it was either that or Aerosmith's
Eat the Rich - it was the first song on their best of album Crossroads
which was, along with Aerosmith's
Get a Grip the first CD I learned to put on myself when I was 2? 3? Not sure, nonetheless the song still brings back memories of the earliest days of my childhood, these
urexperiences that create a rather incomplete and fleeting tapestry, as they are cherished for their rarity.
So, that's it, then, right? It's Bon Jovi all the way, right? Don't even need to listen to the Skid Row track.
Well, not exactly.
See, the song brings back memories, but I never voted purely on nostalgia. I love
Bon Jovi, but I find their biggest hits kinda overplayed and this one in particular... didn't age well for me. Partially, it's the production (again, on
New Jersey I would find it somewhat more palatable, it's the mid 80s that I find most challenged in this regard), partially it's the gung-ho chorus, partially it's the talk box...
...and laddys, since you started bringing lyrics into it, well, this is one of the tracks I can't
not notice the lyrics myself.
I mean, Bon Jovi were always this kinda dumber and less poetic variation on Springsteen - and I think it was quite intentional, because the themes, the fact you call your biggest album
New Jersey, the fact you borrow the melody of
The River for
Born to Be My Baby... it's just
all too much, to borrow the quote from George Harrison - but with this track, it reaches its peak. Well, this one and the "bonus" song
Someday I'll be Saturday Night, which they released only on the aforementioned best of album.
You know, the poor couple, down on their luck, trying to get by, living on a prayer, you know... but it's duuuuuuumb. It's a chestnut, it's tired, hackneyed, clichéd, it's like a food bite that's been in too many mouths. And it's mostly the execution, not the idea - the aforementioned
River by Springsteen is more or less
thematically identical and it genuinely might be among my top 10 tracks of all time. I don't even like Springsteen much anymore, but that sentiment still stands. Bon Jovi not only are much more on the nose, less poetic, more didactic... but they were never really believable. They always felt like a manufactured band, even though they weren't. Springsteen, now a lot of his street machismo just as much as his older, more "spiritual" self of the wise elderly American stateman were just as much an act and were also obnoxious, but he's much more believable. When his voice cracks during that "Now those memories come back to haunt me" during that
"But I remember us riding in my brother's car
Her body tan and wet down at the reservoir
At night on them banks I'd lie awake
And pull her close just to feel each breath she'd take
Now those memories come back to haunt me
They haunt me like a curse
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true
Or is it something worse
That sends me down to the river
Though I know the river is dry
That sends me down to the river tonight"
you have a tendency to believe it. It feels vivid, it feels like something that happened to someone. The Bon Jovi song hasn't happened to
anyone, definitely not any "Tommy" and "Gina".
(BTW I already mentioned this is one of the problems I have with certain Dream Theater lyrics - however nice it may be they are spreading the awareness about certain mental diseases, apart from Portnoy's 12-step-suite, which is at times maybe a tad
too much journal-like, their songs always feel as if someone took a lecture book or an encyclopedia and went through it in verse form.
I mean, holy schmoley, Trucci, could you be somehow
more on the nose in your description of a panic attack?
"Why do I feel so numb
Is it something to do with where I come from
Should this be fight, or flight
I don't know why I'm constantly so uptight"
I think some of the blokes in the back row might have missed the message!)
In short, this is a singer-songwriter song (and not a particularly good one), performed by One Direction. Please, don't.
As for Skid Row, I know I must have heard this track before, since it's from the only album of theirs I ever actively listened to, but I don't remember it at all. It's more guitar-based, which is a good thing, it also has a rather tight groove, but something's slightly off for me. First, the song is absolutely unmemorable, even as they try some of the melodicisms that feel inspired by Mr Bongiovi himself; Sebastian Bach has the dubious distinction of being obnoxious
and rather bland at the same time and the tough guy posturings belie the fact that they seem much more insecure in their glam attitude - they somewhat feel much sillier than some of the other bands that, well "I may be a whore but at least I admit it". At least subconsciously.
In the end it's not offensive at all, but all things taken together,
Crue need more love around here and they'll get it for me.
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On paper, I always thought I would be a huge fan of stoner rock - not because of any preference for mind altering substances on my behalf, merely because of the origins and influences, sound and overall
pizzazz of the subgenre - but somehow it never happened. I like Mastodon, who have been trying to become a full-blown stoner band almost since
The Hunter, I enjoyed Kyuss quite a lot, there's also Cathedral and Conan... but apart from Mastodon, I almost never come back to these bands to replay them. I like Orange Goblin to a degree, I like Spirit Caravan to a degree, I enjoyed some Clutch albums, I was fascinated by Sleep somehow and so on, but it was never enough for me to become a fan.
Monster Magnet, for what it's worth, are definitely among the lesser-tier bands. The sound is rather tinny (and not in a good way), the song's not very memorable, the oppressing atmosphere of desert heat is nowhere to be found. The funky guitar riff is okay, I guess, but overall this is a mid track by a mid band, I can't help it.
That said, I know I said this
- Although I'm not a fan, I am giving a begrudging respect to both Slipknot and Korn, the former because they are rather creative within the paradigm, over time they moved outside the genre altogether, methinks, and I found stuff like their semi-official debut Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat rather fascinating; the latter because they managed to more or less start the whole genre, for better or worse.
but I guess it's not enough. This is... pretty bad. I mean, the whole songs sound like someone was trying to make an aural representation of a shitpost. It's just...
inane. Do you realise this is from their
sixth album? This came out
nine years after their self-titled was released. And this is the best thing that made the cut? No fucking way.
I reluctantly support the terribly pedestrian
Monster Magnet song, but really, in this match, there are no winners.
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Seriously, what is this?
I love
Kid, don't want to offend him, so let's just say Turmion Kätilöt is absolutely the opposite of what I might actually like and let it be.
I actually deleted my original comment, then rewrote it, then deleted again... because I don't want to feel like a cunt just because I don't like a song that's probably really precious to someone.
Don't want to feel like
all the time.
So let's put it this way
KidintheDark, I love you mate, I have always respected your musical taste, we have agreed upon many things in the past, but after the In Flames song and this one now, there is an altogether different side to you and I'm somehow unable to even meet you halfway there. Really, I mean no offence and I hope none will be taken, it's just I don't get the appeal at all. Sorry!
Tool are better, definitely, I am not a huge fan; though funnily/weirdly enough, their Pneuma was actually the track I deleted from my nomination list the latest, as I whittled it down to the required amount, right before I sent the list to
Loosey. Here there's Carey, of course, some crunchier riffs, cool bassline, overall it's rather catchy. Not one of their most stellar moments, probably, but decent enough.
Tool. No contest.
BTW
sites like Metal Archives should take note - this is the way to go.
Tool are also among the bands that MA don't consider "metal". Just like medieval metal bands (In Extremo) and others. Rammstein I don't even like, but not having them on self-proclaimed "metal" archives is just silly.
Really, I appreciate Prog Archives and the fact they seem to be operating under the mantra "in doubt, add it", so for example
Blind Guardian are there. Yep. I love it.