The Antichrist

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If anybody here has seen the movie "The Omen" (which I'm sure many of you have), the theme of the Devil's son, or the "Antichrist" is explored. The idea that if God can send his son, why can't the Devil?
I am fascinated by this theory and would love to hear your thoughts on this. Not a topic for the faint-hearted.
 
Well, I completely agree with you. If God can send his son, the Devil must surely also. Of course, I'm not a practicing Christian or anything, so it'd probably be more interesting to hear from those people and if the Bible or any other holy book has anything to say on the subject.

Relating it to heavy metal... Iced Earth's Damien off of the 2001 album, Horror Show, is about this topic.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-TheWickedChild+Nov 4 2005, 01:39 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(TheWickedChild @ Nov 4 2005, 01:39 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I'm not a practicing Christian or anything, so it'd probably be more interesting to hear from those people
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I'm a practising Christian and the thought of an antichrist scares the shit out of me. Who's to know if there ever was or will be a demonic son? it could be anybody anywhere.
 
OH GOOD GOD!! GET AWAY FROM ME YOU SATANIC BASTARDS!! +(thats a crucifix by the way) lol [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
I have found the Antichrist:
[img src=\'http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/LFGNYC/babyangrywithtext.jpg\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\' /]
 
I guess Satan could send his son...but I wouldnt know, Im Athiest..so I dont exactly follow religion.
 
I'm a Christian (Liberal Protestant, UCC) and don't believe in that stuff. God is supposed to be all-powerful, ergo the 'devil' or 'Satan' could easily be winke dout of existence by Him.
I take the view espoused by the late Pope John Paul II, though I'm not Catholic. He argued that Hell was not an actual place and Satan was not an entity. Rather, Hell is what one experiences when they don't experience God.
Instead of "Good vs. Evil", it's more like "Good and Not Good"
 
[!--QuoteBegin-IronDuke+Nov 4 2005, 02:08 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(IronDuke @ Nov 4 2005, 02:08 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I'm a Christian (Liberal Protestant, UCC) and don't believe in that stuff. God is supposed to be all-powerful, ergo the 'devil' or 'Satan' could easily be winke dout of existence by Him.
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What about the book of Revalations? Should that be taken literally or has it got a hidden meaning? I'm not sure as I have only read tiny bits of the book and it is very hard to understand.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-IronDuke+Nov 4 2005, 04:08 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(IronDuke @ Nov 4 2005, 04:08 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I take the view espoused by the late Pope John Paul II, though I'm not Catholic. He argued that Hell was not an actual place and Satan was not an entity. Rather, Hell is what one experiences when they don't experience God.
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As an atheist, I am ready to pick up that view and extend it.
I take neither Heaven nor Hell as actual places, nor do I view God and Satan as entities.
Heaven, to me, is the ultimate peace of mind, the status and situation we all crave for. As peace of mind is something I believe everyone is looking for, but everyone has different ways of reaching it- therefore, Heaven is different for every person.
This way, Hell is the situation we are all in, and it is the task of our lives to escape it and reach Heaven.
Some people are unable to reach this situation of peace of mind, some murderers for example: They have to deal with what they did in their life and can't get over it- they are damned in Hell.

No, I'm not a Buddhist [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
[!--QuoteBegin-LooseCannon+Nov 4 2005, 01:49 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(LooseCannon @ Nov 4 2005, 01:49 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I have found the Antichrist:
[img src=\'http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/LFGNYC/babyangrywithtext.jpg\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\' /]
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hahah, nice one [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Conor+Nov 4 2005, 02:41 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Conor @ Nov 4 2005, 02:41 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--] it could be anybody anywhere.
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Hello.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-edbaldhead+Nov 4 2005, 03:27 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(edbaldhead @ Nov 4 2005, 03:27 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Atheism is a religion, meaning the belief or faith in the fact that there definitely is no God.
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Not really, it's a belief. A religion has a god or gods, atheists don't believe in anything.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-edbaldhead+Nov 4 2005, 01:38 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(edbaldhead @ Nov 4 2005, 01:38 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I beg to differ. Atheists "believe" there is no God. It the same as believing their is a God. Atheism is a religion, in a loose sense of the word. Agnostics don't believe in anything.  [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
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Incorrect.

A religion is more than a set of beliefs. It is also a source of guidance in the form of a moral code. Followers of a religion, ideally, are supposed to live in accordance with that religion's teachings. Christians have the teachings of Jesus, Jews the laws of the Torah, Buddhists the Noble Eightfold Path, etc.

While atheism does involve the assertion that there is no God, such a belief does not imply a moral code.

Compare this: I believe that Christopher Columbus first sailed to the New World in 1492. But how do I know? I wasn't there. I'm simply choosing to believe what I've been told. And whether or not I believe this doesn't mean it determines how I'm supposed to behave.

From an atheist's point of view, the nonexistence of God is considered to be just another fact, no more important than facts about Columbus.

Agnostics don't believe 'nothing'. Agnosticism has two core beliefs:
a. God may or may not exist.
b. The issue of God's existence cannot be decided by any means currently known to us.
 
Alright. I asked a religious studies prof here for his definition of religion.

1. A religion must have theory - that is, doctrine.

2. A religion must have practice - that is, ritual.

3. A religion must have community - that is, group activities such as worship.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-edbaldhead+Nov 4 2005, 03:35 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(edbaldhead @ Nov 4 2005, 03:35 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Atheism is a religion, again I use the word loosely, because there is a strong "belief" or "faith" that there is no God. Believing there is no moral code is, in a sense, a moral code in itself. Do you get the point?
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No, because your 'point' is nonsensical. Atheism is the 'belief' that the nonexistence of God is a plain, ordinary fact. Just like 2+2=4 or hydrogen atoms have one proton. This fact is not special, and belief in it does not signify a religion.

However, atheists do NOT believe that 'there is no moral code'. They believe in right and wrong like everyone else. They simply find their moral guidance from sources other than religion.

Note the definition LC provided above...

Atheists have no doctrine, because their sole 'belief' is just an ordinary fact to them. It holds no special significance.

Atheists have no rituals which are specific to atheism.

While atheists may gather to discuss atheism, this is obviously not group worship.

If you think you can use LC's definition to show that atheism is a religion, I can show in an equally convincing manner that members of this forum are following a common religion:
Our doctrine is that Iron Maiden are a superior metal band. Not necessarily the greatest ever (though many here might say so) but at least superior to most.
Our ritual is posting on this forum.
Our group activities consist of concert attendance, since most members of this forum have seen Maiden live at least once.

Not very convincing, is it? Like I said, it would be convincing in equal degree to the claim that atheism is a religion. Which means you can make a weak argument that no one with an IQ greater than their shoe size will believe.
 
How about this definition: Religion is a philosophy with a dogma?
 
Not quite. Because the philosophy doesn't extend to the group. Philosophy is usually an elitist thing. Not many people have the luxury of intellectual thought.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-LooseCannon+Nov 5 2005, 06:49 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(LooseCannon @ Nov 5 2005, 06:49 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Not many people have the luxury of intellectual thought.
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You can see it sometimes on this board, but it becomes really obvious on a forum I shall not name here! [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
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