Ten More Years

[Genghis Khan]

That's using fear tactics and sadly it seems to work. 

 

[Wästed The Great]

Brazil still has large swaths of rural, less educated areas that continue to grow its population - just like the USA. 

Right, the large rural areas and the limited infrastructure keep Brazil listed as 'industrialized', rather than 'post-industrialized' in sociatal terms.  The odd part is, that the country, as a whole, exibits a population growth that is almost exclusively related to 'post-industrialized' societies.  Things may have changed, globally, in the last few years, but as of 2006 (when I last studied it), it was just about the only country that was like that. 

Before the One Child law, Chinese children were good for two things: working on the farm or in another primary industry of local choice, or being married off for dowry.  Now, let's be clear here.  The Chinese tradition of dowry and of what makes women attractive has led to some rather well documented series of abuses, like the tying of the feet, for instance, and it wasn't a peachy system before the law.  But a daughter who is married off for dowry cannot work the farm as the parents get older.  Thus, sons are preferred.  The girls are like...bonds.  You invest to get a nice bonus later.  The sons are RRSPs.

All true, which makes me lean towards the fact that the 'one child' policy is a really bad idea. As you said, the females weren't treated well at all, but they did live (albeit poorly).  Now, it seems that some of them (at higher rates than before) are not living-- for some reason or another.  Or, here is the 'devil's advocate'-- if over population is a burden for the poor-- as far as food and exposure go-- is it worse to commit infantacide, or have your child die from starvation, etc.? (I'm not for infanticide, i'm just stiring the pot)

 

[Onhell]

I mean pretty much what I said there...

Hot diggy dog! It makes sense, sadly, and it is even sadder that supposed feminists bash other women for choosing to become housewives. I guess it is beyond them that there are perfectly "feminist" women that freely choose to upkeep the home over a career...

 

[Anonymous]

I guess it is beyond them that there are perfectly "feminist" women that freely choose to upkeep the home over a career...

Like my mom. She led a good, "feminist" life until she got two kids and decided they are now the most important thing in her life.

 

[Forostar]

Home over career, career over home... Under the right conditions it can be done both without letting one of them suffer under the other.

I don't mean to intend the following as "I know it better" or "My parents made the best choice", but I still like to explain what I mean, trying to make it less black-and-white.

My mom has always been a feminist, has three sons (which are also the most important thing in her life), but she still works (although she'll stop next month, when she turns 60).

Females can work (e.g. part-time) and take care of their children, especially when their husbands also do. The role of the husband is not unimportant. My parents both have always worked part-time since they had children, so that always at least one of them would be around when we were young. A choice they made themselves, which I surely do not regret.

@Perun: When I read what you say it's almost like German feminism has absolutely nothing to do with feminism in other countries.

By the way: Both the words "career" and "feminism" can be understood in several ways, I bet. Fighting for equal rights and having children at the same time is still feminism. Working (fulltime/part-time, whatever) and having children is still feminism, though it's so common that this term is hardly used anymore.

@Onhell:
Raising children and earning no money, what's feministic about that? I rather call it conservative, or fear for the outside world, or being passive towards society. I can understand that females stop working when they have kids, especially when the other parents work very hard and are hardly around, but I can't name that feminism.

Did you mean this by "there are perfectly "feminist" women that freely choose to upkeep the home over a career.."? Please explain, thanks!

 

[Anonymous]

Home over career, career over home... Under the right conditions it can be done both without letting one of them suffer under the other.

Yes. But some women decide to concentrate on one over the other. My mother decided to focus entirely on the kids.

@Perun: When I read what you say it's almost like German feminism has absolutely nothing to do with feminism in other countries.

I don't know very much about feminism at all to say if its very different from other countries, but I dare say this radical nazi element is unique to Germany.

 

[Forostar]

I edited my previous post. Sorry if I have offended some people in it, but that's purely how I look at it.
I guess I grew up with the idea that everyone should work, not only in home, but also working in a society, being part of that society, if he/she can.

@Perun: from your post it looks like German feminism is connected to children and extreme ideas, where I connect the term to working but moreover to equality.

edit: Just read this news about the new Spanish government. More females than males, a female Minister of Defence (who will get a child this summer) plus new minister posts like an Equality(!) Minister and a Science and Innovation Minister, also both females.

 

[Onhell]

@Onhell:
Raising children and earning no money, what's feministic about that? I rather call it conservative, or fear for the outside world, or being passive towards society. I can understand that females stop working when they have kids, especially when the other parents work very hard and are hardly around, but I can't name that feminism.

how about the CHOICE there in? Like the CHOICE of contraseptive, or the CHOICE of abortion. THAT is what is "feminist" about it. unlike being raised and brainwashed into the ideal that the only real woman is the one that can cook and clean or the other extreme that the only way a woman can find fulfillment is to forgo a family and have a career. Earning money isn't everything Foro. 

 

[Forostar]

The choice of doing what has been done since the dawn of time until the word feminist started to get popular I can't name "feminist". But everyone his own ideas and choices, of course.

And earning money isn't everything indeed. But that was not the main point. To not work outside the house, I find that a more passive way of living, and less in touch with society.

There's much between "only a family" and "only a job".

 

[Onhell]

The choice of doing what has been done since the dawn of time until the word feminist started to get popular I can't name "feminist". But everyone his own ideas and choices, of course.

And earning money isn't everything indeed. But that was not the main point. To not work outside the house, I find that a more passive way of living, and less in touch with society.

There's much between "only a family" and "only a job".

You kidding? You have to be, done since the dawn of time? You crazy? I think what has been done since the dawn of time is women working along side men until men decided they couldn't do it anymore which hasn't been that long considering "the dawn of time" And yes, it can still be a choice. There are those that choose to do both, while more difficult it is possible. I don't find anything "passive" about having to care for children and home, it is a thankless job in itself.

You are right about it not being as social, I think it goes without saying, however there are ways around it.