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According to a Yahoo article I've read, Canada has the best banking system in the world.  The accuracy of this claim is unknown to me, but I do know the Canadian economy and banking system has measures in place unlike that of USA.  So I'm hoping we won't be hit like our neighbours to the south.

Canada's banking system is incredibly solid, because we have done a great job making sure our banks stick to banking, and not to...whatever the fuck they were in in the USA.

Join the club, guys! If we go, you go.


Central bank gives alert on economy
Slashes forecast, makes quarter-point cut


October 22, 2008

OTTAWA -- Canada faces a long period of economic stagnation caused by a potent mix of global forces that lie largely beyond Canadian policy makers' control, the Bank of Canada suggested yesterday.

The central bank cut its key interest rate by a quarter of a percentage point yesterday - a move designed to bolster confidence and give borrowers a break. It also indicated that there likely will be more interest rate cuts to come.

But the central bank as much as said that these measures won't be enough to revive the Canadian economy and move supply and demand back into balance until at least the end of 2010.

Three main forces - the worldwide financial crisis, sliding commodity prices and a global economy in recession - are feeding off each other and "are having a profound impact on the Canadian economy," the bank said in a lengthy statement notable for its gloomy tone and starkly downgraded growth projections.

The U.S. economy is already contracting, and Canada will eke out an expansion of just 0.6 per cent this year and next, the bank said. Its previous forecast for 2009 was 2.3 per cent.

"The Bank of Canada can't single-handedly change things," said James Marple, economist at Toronto-Dominion Bank.

Yesterday's rate cut, together with a major half-percentage-point cut on Oct. 8 and a raft of recent measures to ease lending between Canada's banks, will help bring down borrowing costs in Canada, and encourage households and companies not to sit still, he said.

So long as commercial banks agree to pass along the central bank's rate cut by lowering their own prime rates - which they did yesterday - borrowers should take the Bank of Canada's moves as a shot in the arm, added Angela Redish, economics professor at the University of British Columbia.

But the global financial turmoil and recession are too powerful for Canada to withstand, Mr. Marple said. "We're going to get the hit, regardless of how low we get interest rates."

Domestic consumption is also vulnerable, since falling commodity prices are slashing the country's income and hurting consumers' spending power, the central bank said.

With the Bank of Canada acknowledging that growth has virtually ground to a halt, and inflationary pressure disappearing quickly, several economists questioned the wisdom of cutting rates by just a quarter of a percentage point.

But the central bank offered several reasons for not acting more aggressively. It just cut a half-percentage point two weeks ago. Plus, the rapid and steep depreciation of the Canadian dollar is helping to stimulate the economy.

And things are changing so quickly in the global economy and on financial markets that the bank suggested it preferred to move incrementally.

The small rate cut may not instill confidence among economists, but it sends out less of a panic signal to the Canadian public than a large rate one, Prof. Redish pointed out. "I was thinking they should do a bit more," she said. "But the confidence thing goes two ways."

Toronto-Dominion Bank was the first to move in the wake of the central bank's cut, dropping its prime rate by 35 basis points (a basis point is 1/100th of a percentage point). Two weeks ago, TD had dropped prime by only 40 basis points despite the central bank's half-percentage-point cut. "Funding costs for the Canadian banks have come down nicely," said Tim Hockey, president and chief executive officer of retail arm TD Canada Trust. "We're not out of the woods yet, but trend lines are going the right way, so we were comfortable passing on the full rate cut."

Headwinds

The Bank of Canada highlights three global forces out of its control.

WORLDWIDE FINANCIAL CRISIS

More than $3-trillion (U.S.) has been committed to bailing out the world's financial sector. Famous banks and brokerages have failed, been taken over or partly nationalized. Those remaining are wary of lending, hampering a recovery.

FALLING COMMODITY PRICES

Canada is a commodity producer and is vulnerable to drops in demand or prices. A barrel of oil costs less than half what it did four months ago. Everything from copper to potash has plunged amid global economic weakness.

THE GLOBAL SLOWDOWN

Central banks around the world are reducing growth outlooks. The word "recession" is being uttered in the same sentence with places such as the United States and much of Europe. Emerging markets, once the source of most economic growth, are stalling.

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Oh no, a quarter point interest rate cut!  Terrible.  This means literally nothing. Canada's still got the highest growth and projected growth of any of the G7 countries, and not one Canadian bank has even come close to going under.  Based on the economy, we have no idea what'll happen to us tomorrow.  It's that simple.
 
But let's not ignore some "highlights" from this article:

* Canada faces a long period of economic stagnation caused by a potent mix of global forces that lie largely beyond Canadian policy makers' control.

* So long as commercial banks agree to pass along the central bank's rate cut by lowering their own prime rates - which they did yesterday - borrowers should take the Bank of Canada's moves as a shot in the arm, added Angela Redish, economics professor at the University of British Columbia.

* The global financial turmoil and recession are too powerful for Canada to withstand, Mr. Marple said. "We're going to get the hit, regardless of how low we get interest rates."

* Domestic consumption is also vulnerable, since falling commodity prices are slashing the country's income and hurting consumers' spending power.

* Canada is a commodity producer and is vulnerable to drops in demand or prices. A barrel of oil costs less than half what it did four months ago. Everything from copper to potash has plunged amid global economic weakness.
 
Genghis Khan said:
Do you have further news on ING as far as other banks are responding to this bailout, No.5? 

this thing happen pretty much everywhere, but still no other news for the specific case
as soon as I'll have something remarqueble I'll post it
 
I had a serious sympathy for Gordon Brown since two years
but now this sympathy has become a huge admiration!!
this serious one-eyed politician seems to have saved global economy from total breakdown
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I'm working on a translation of a Dr Roubini (Dr Doom) interview right now
I'm gonna post it here when it'll be ready
 
Mountain out of a molehill?

Germany expects worst economic growth since WWII

BERLIN (AP) — The German government forecast Wednesday that the country's economy will shrink by 2.25 percent this year, which would easily be its worst performance since World War II as exports decline sharply amid the global downturn.

The new forecast for Europe's biggest economy was down drastically from the government's previous prediction, made in mid-October, of 0.2 percent growth.

"There is no precedent in postwar history for this economic decline that we unfortunately have to forecast," Economy Minister Michael Glos told reporters.

He predicted that exports — a key driver of German growth over recent years — would slump by 8.9 percent in 2009.

As the world's leading exporter, "we have profited greatly from upswings in the world economy and obviously, when things go the other way, we are an economy that is particularly affected," Glos said.

The worst postwar annual economic performance to date was a 0.9 percent decline in West Germany's gross domestic product in 1975. The worst since German reunification was a 0.8 percent fall in 1993.

The economy went into reverse in last year's second quarter and slipped into recession in the third quarter.

Glos said Germany's central bank, the Bundesbank, believes the economy shrank about 1.75 percent in last year's final quarter compared with the previous three months as the global financial crisis intensified.

Germany's Federal Statistical Office has said that the economy grew by 1.3 percent last year, only about half the previous year's rate, weighed by rapidly weakening exports.

Glos gave no forecast for Germany's economic performance in 2010 and said the government would produce one in April at the earliest. However, he said he expected the world economy to be growing again by then.

In an effort to limit the impact of the global crisis on Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel's government last week drew up a new euro50 billion ($65 billion) stimulus package.

The plan includes investments in infrastructure, tax relief, reductions in health care contributions and bonuses for families with children. It adds to an earlier plan worth euro23 billion, which was criticized at home and abroad as too cautious.

Thursday's forecast showed Germany's unemployment rate growing to an average 8.4 percent this year from 7.8 percent in 2008. It forecast that domestic demand will decrease by a modest 0.1 percent.
 
That was a joke...when Germany has bad times economically, they traditionally invade Poland.

All in all, this is rather bigger news, considering Germany has the 4th largest GDP in the world.
 
Well, you should. I hear there's a lot of Lebensraum in Canada...
 
Quick Update for Europe

Germany for the first time take so clearly the leadership of EU, by proposing to help the weaker countries.
In France things are not terrible for the moment, except one thing : The Guadeloupe syndrome, which is Sarkozy's new nightmare
in the case it diffuses in the mainland, and later on, in whole Europe.

In the middle-east Europe things go worst and worst; Czech Republic's president did some terrible statements for EU
by comparing its function with the Communist Regime. In the same time, yesterday we had a resigned Latvia government 
due to Economical Crisis

Everyone speaks that the key for the future existence of EU is the Eastern Countries : Apparently we don't have to let them down
Germany is now the only country that can help in this direction, and seemed to understand it quickly
 
Muster Station said:
The Guadeloupe syndrome, which is Sarkozy's new nightmare

What's that?

In the middle-east Europe things go worst and worst;

I can't make any sense from this sentence. Could you rephrase it please?
 
Perun said:
What's that?

It's revolted since one month -violence and general strike

Perun said:
I can't make any sense from this sentence. Could you rephrase it please?

That the economical situation in the ex-Iron Curtain Countries, tend to reach to nadir.
A lot of banks are ready to go bankrupt, and if it happens so, it's extremely dangerous for the Western Counties as well
as most of these banks are branches of Western ones 
 
I think I get it now. With "middle-east Europe", you meant Central Europe. Sorry mate, "Middle East" is a term already reserved for something else.
 
In deed, Central Europe is better!

So apparently, the Western Countries in danger (in the case Eastern banks go bankrupt) are:
Sweden, Germany, Austria, Greece -they all have branches in the East, but the three later are also inside Eurozone.

Greece and Ireland are the EU headaches for 2009, for 2010 France & Italy will be added.
 
It depends on how we define danger, but since last week the Netherlands are in trouble too. We are an export country and since the countries around us have trouble, we'll have it as well.
It has not much to do with Central Europe only.

Unemployment will increase, many companies will get intro financial trouble.

Source:

... The Netherlands "finds itself in a severe recession," said the premier.

Only in 1931 did the Netherlands experience a bigger economic contraction (3.6 percent) than the 3.5 percent forecast for 2009. Bizarrely, consumer purchasing power is seen increasing by 2.25 percent, mainly due to the drop in the price of oil.

But the redundancy axe will fall more heavily than expected. Partly due to an export contraction of nearly 12 percent in 2009, unemployment will rise to 5.5 percent this year and 8.75 percent in 2010. ...
 
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