Some innocent pawn in an end game.....

Wonderful. Is this going to turn into the next Panislamic riot?

Another thought that crossed my mind... if Muslims are so afraid that the name of the Prophet is abused, then why do they allow people to be named Muhammad? It's just f*cking ridiculous.
 
I guess that it's alright for a grubby, malnourished and likely murderous human, but a cuddly and fluffy cute little Teddy Bear cannot capture the pure awesome of the Prophet.
 
This latest development is good example of people accepting what their elders or leaders are telling them what they should and should not think. If she was not arrested in the first place, none of this would have happened - instead the Sudanese authorities have opened a can of worms they are struggling to contain.

The sooner this woman is out of Sudan, the better for all concerned.
 
LooseCannon said:
I guess that it's alright for a grubby, malnourished and likely murderous human, but a cuddly and fluffy cute little Teddy Bear cannot capture the pure awesome of the Prophet.

Ok, I dont normally sig quotes, but this made me sincerely lol.
Sig'd!

Anyway, I only just found out about this and I am shocked at the whole thing. I mean, Im fairly sure there's some exaggerations from the media here, but woah.
I also hope we (as in the UK) do not involve ourselves in anymore rediculous conflicts in allegiance with America - it doesnt help with situations like this. Im not anti-american, but I dont feel we need to show support for them at all, their solutions to world issues arent the best.
Anyway, off topic a bit there. Hope the Sudanese government manage to sort this out and chill everyone out, its in everyones best interests.
 
Not wanting to beat a dead horse here, but can anyone else see this case being filed under 'Evidence pointing to the necessity of separation of church and state'?  It seems to me that radically Islamic countries like the Sudan and Saudi Arabia don't exactly have the most balanced judicial systems - after all, a victim of a gang rape in Saudi Arabia was threatened with 6 months imprisonment for being in the same car as a (male) non-relative (when both were abducted and raped)[sup]1[/sup].

Playing the Devil's Advocate here, you can see where the charge of religious hatred is laid (albeit extremely misguidedly).  It is a severe faux pas to represent the Prophet in any shape or form, and I can only presume that some of the parents saw the naming of the teddy bear...you know what, fuck playing the Devil's Advocate, even Satan himself wouldn't be able to convincingly argue that side of the case.  As far as I see it, the only conspiracy going on is an attempt to force out a foreigner for making a cultural faux pas (if that!).

Oh, and while we're at it, isn't half of Sudan still in a state of civil war?  At least the central government have their priorities right.

[sup]1[/sup]The rapists are sentenced to death by hanging, but that's another issue.
 
Raven said:
As far as I see it, the only conspiracy going on is an attempt to force out a foreigner for making a cultural faux pas (if that!).
Yes, there is a cultural misunderstanding here - but if this was the Sudanese authorities motive, they would have (or should of) deported her and end it there.
 
Raven said:
Not wanting to beat a dead horse here, but can anyone else see this case being filed under 'Evidence pointing to the necessity of separation of church and state'?

<insert random "captain obvious" picture here>

It seems to me that radically Islamic countries like the Sudan and Saudi Arabia don't exactly have the most balanced judicial systems

By your definition. And perhaps by mine. But to the ones who implement these judicial systems, what matters is compliance with the faith. And for that matter, it is a well-regarded fact throughout the Muslim world that faith -which, in this context, is identical with the Qur'an- is a matter of interpretation.

It is a severe faux pas to represent the Prophet in any shape or form, and I can only presume that some of the parents saw the naming of the teddy bear...you know what, fuck playing the Devil's Advocate, even Satan himself wouldn't be able to convincingly argue that side of the case.

Let me pick up where you left off. The official argument is that animals are considered inferior beings in the faith, and representation of such is just as inferior. God created man from his image, while animals are meant to play a role in the course of the world, yet are ultimately destined to be subdued by man. Hence, giving the name of the Prophet -the greatest of men, though still a man- to an inferior being is considered an insult to him. The child is not expected to know this, but the teacher is.
Now clearly, the matter of naming a teddy bear is not explicitly covered in the Qur'an, and neither is the matter of loving affection towards an animal or inferior being. Therefore, it is once again a matter of interpretation. The Sudanese lawgivers chose a certain interpretation, and I guess we will have to deal with that.

I firmly believe that Sudan needs a lesson in secular lawgiving, but before that happens, we should at least try to understand what exactly is happening.

As far as I see it, the only conspiracy going on is an attempt to force out a foreigner for making a cultural faux pas (if that!).

Wrong. From what I gather, the conspiracy going on is revenge against the UK. And to be honest, Sudan has quite a few reasons to hate the UK.

Oh, and while we're at it, isn't half of Sudan still in a state of civil war?  At least the central government have their priorities right.

Not half. Only Darfur. And given that the international community has more or less taken over the case, Kharthoum can sit back and watch there.
If you refer to the civil war between Muslim North and Central African South, that issue has been resolved for a couple of years now.
 
Common sense has prevailed and the teacher is to be given a pardon and is to be released sometime today. Source
 
Natalie said:
Thank God. Or any deity. What a relief.

'Arry will decide which deity is invited to the big fiesta, Odin apparently is a rather greedy bastard, so he's not making the list...
 
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