SIT - TFF Similarities

Where Eagles Dare

Keep Your Distance! Walk Away!
Hi guys, last night lying in bed I realized that the albums Somewhere in Time and The Final Frontier had several similarities I couldn’t but help but notice. I do know that this has briefly been talked about somewhere on here so if I repeat someone’s facts I apologize.

First I started with the albums as a whole.

· Both have a somewhat alien like Eddie on the cover

· Both have Iron Maiden followed by three words (Somewhere in Time) (The Final Frontier)

  • Both albums were released being the longest period of time between themselves and their predecessor

Then I did a song by song.

· Both intros of these albums are longer then a normal Maiden opener.

· Also in CSIT the theme is having time on your side while TFF is all about not having enough time.

· Both second tracks on each album were released as a single.

· Both of the albums outro songs were introduce with wind and the final part of that song told of the main characters death

There are also a few others but I feeling like I may be trying to make something that’s not there, such as song meanings and guitar work.
 
Ya your right. Im sorry,when I said I saw some of it covered Im pretty sure it was in the commentary section... I never saw this thread. But at at least I know a few people have seen it so its not me just making things up.
 
Hey guys, I picked out the first two random Maiden albums I thought of - The Number of the Beast and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son - and I found some very uncanny similarities. Better sit down for these.

On both albums, the final song deals with death and the afterlife.
Both albums make prominent mention of the devil: In Number of the Beast, he is in the title track, in Seventh Son, he is the antagonist of the story.
Both album's title tracks have spoken word passages.
Both albums made no. 1 in the UK.
Between Run to the Hills and Can I Play With Madness, no Maiden single made the top ten in the UK.
Both album titles have "of" as the third word.
Both album's third songs have an intro that is outside of the regular song structure, and...
now, this is really scary, so scary that I had to put it in spoilers... brace yourselves for a true revelation...

I'm still shaken by this...

I really don't know if I should tell you this, it could tear your entire world view apart...

Don't say I didn't warn you!

Ready?

In both third songs, the third word in the lyrics proper is...

THE!

COINCIDENCE???? :blink:
 
.... I know this is obviously no outstanding, ground breaking, find, but I thought this would just be some great food for thought. Sorry guys...
 
No need to apologize Where Eagles Dare. We made some good comparisons, independently.
Perun saw some good ones as well, especially in the first half of his post. The rest was funny nonetheless. :)
 
Not sure. My crappy English fails me here. What do you mean by "lyrics proper"?

No, judging by that quote, I have really failed to make my point.

I apologise for the unwarranted sarcasm used earlier, I just thought the parody would be amusing. But I just noticed that Zare had done this sort of thing so much better in the thread Foro linked to. So, I'm going to expand on my thoughts on this now.

I think that these similarities are random observations that are in most cases purely coincidental, and have more to do with selective perception than any actual relations between the two albums. I could make any number of similar observations with any two albums from Maiden's discography. What bothers me is that I actually think that making comparisons on the content of individual albums and songs can be a highly interesting and rewarding tasks, if they actually lead to something and have actual meaning. But what has been presented here and in the thread Foro linked to are mostly random facts and numbers that are probably pure chance and really don't say anything. For example, what significance do the number of words in the album title or the fonts used in the booklet have? Or the fact that the second track has been released as a single, that is also true for most other albums, actually. I don't see how such things imply any sort of special relation between these two particular albums. Even some similarities in the content are really random: Don't Maiden have other songs which end with the death of the character? Apart from the mentioned elements, Alexander and Wild Wind are completely different songs altogether.
Of course, a number of observations are legit and interesting. For instance, it can't be denied that both albums have science fiction references. Then again, Brave New World and Virtual XI have those too, so I'd rather consider this one of Maiden's long-running themes. The Eddies on the Somewhere in Time and Final Frontier Covers really don't look anything alike (nor is the setting in any way similar), and the Final Frontier Eddie looks a lot more like the one from Virtual XI or Fear of the Dark. I could, for instance, see a lot of similarities between Final Frontier and Fear of the Dark: The Eddie on the cover is in both cases a significant departure from any preceding depictions. Both albums have a song about greed and corruption (and if you want random facts, both these songs have incidentally been released as the first single). Afraid to Shoot Strangers and Mother of Mercy are very similar in the way they explore the theme of war. I think those are legit things to think about and discuss - but when such observations are made, you should think about their true significance and if it's worth pursuing this path further. I personally don't really think the songs Caught Somewhere in Time and The Final Frontier have very much in common. Yeah, they have comparatively odd intros, and, well, somehow deal with time, but I think that they are about completely different things. Caught Somewhere in Time has a lot more to do, in my eyes, with Moonchild, while Final Frontier is more akin to Different World and Wildest Dreams.
Then again, a few peculiarities are certainly worth investigating. For instance, the wind blowing in the intro to Alexander and Wild Wind. I don't think this ties the two songs together in any way, but it could be interesting to examine the device of the wind blowing in both cases. What effect does it have, and is it different in both cases? If so, why?
You see, I'm not trying to deny that there are similar themes with Somewhere in Time and Final Frontier (Wasted Years and Coming Home are an interesting pair of songs, as has been noted by you guys), I just don't see how these two albums are in any way 'related' to each other more than any other two Maiden albums are. I think it would be a very worthwhile excercise to follow individual themes throughout all of Maiden's releases rather than forcibly tie two random albums together just because they are your favourite ones or because there is one particular eye-catching similarity. E.g., trace the idea of the struggle of good against evil in the Maiden discography. How does the perception change over time? What would that say about the time the songs were written in or the mindset of the song writer? Or how about the character of the devil? There are certain differences between the way he appears in Seventh Son and, say, Lord of Light, aren't there?

But really, that's just my personal opinion: If you guys think these two albums should be tied together and think you can prove that, godspeed to you.
 
Then again, a few peculiarities are certainly worth investigating. For instance, the wind blowing in the intro to Alexander and Wild Wind. I don't think this ties the two songs together in any way, but it could be interesting to examine the device of the wind blowing in both cases. What effect does it have, and is it different in both cases? If so, why?

The fact that this element alone was revisited (and that it happens in the album closer), I already find interesting enough. If Nicko would fart in the microphone at the beginning of the opening track of Powerslave and if Nicko would fart in the microphone at the beginning of the opening track of Fear of the Dark, that would be something as well.

I just don't see how these two albums are in any way 'related' to each other more than any other two Maiden albums are.

I don't think I stated that these albums were more related than any other two Maiden albums. I said: "I have seen a few notable similarities. Do you guys see some more relations between these albums?"

I think it would be a very worthwhile excercise to follow individual themes throughout all of Maiden's releases rather than forcibly tie two random albums together just because they are your favourite ones or because there is one particular eye-catching similarity.

There was no reason to connect these two. It just happened. Pure observation, automatic recognition. Memory, deduction (and a dose of (un)healthy, freaky interest in this band) play a role here. What you did is something else: you picked two albums and started looking for comparisons. That's not what I did (though I admit that I encouraged others to do so), because I focused on TFF (that was not random because the album was the newest) and the "links" with SIT came by itself. When I noted several in a short period of time, I thought that was interesting to post about.

E.g., trace the idea of the struggle of good against evil in the Maiden discography. How does the perception change over time? What would that say about the time the songs were written in or the mindset of the song writer? Or how about the character of the devil? There are certain differences between the way he appears in Seventh Son and, say, Lord of Light, aren't there?

I'd love to see someone (you?) making such an investigation.

But really, that's just my personal opinion: If you guys think these two albums should be tied together and think you can prove that, godspeed to you.

It was never my intention to make twin albums out of these. Never said they should be tied together. And naturally, I wasn't going for the Nobel prize either. These were just some observations I thought others might be interested in. E.g. I find it interesting that a particular font was revisited. => The track listing on the back covers do have similar futuristic styles.

And I find it interesting to see a similar use of the album title. => The titles of these albums are the last words in the opening track and both are related to time, but in opposite ways:
Somewhere in Time -> 1. Caught Somewhere in Time ("Time is always on my side").
The Final Frontier -> 1. Satellite 15....The Final Frontier ("For I've very little time").

Could be coincide or lack of inspiration or none of the two, but that was not the purpose of the comparison. Just sharing a few observations.

This started the same with Where Eagles Dare. He couldn't help but notice.
 
Guess I did get something wrong there, then.

I'd love to see someone (you?) making such an investigation.

Yeah, I've been toying with this idea for some time now. I've even started doing some research, but keep your pants on, I don't think this will see the light of day for quite a while.
 
I'm not trying to grave dig but why start a new thread? When the Wind Blows, the movie that WTWWB was loosely based on, was released the same year as SIT. Obviously like you guys said any two albums could be connected (its the same band) but I still think its fun to look and find things like this.
 
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