School shooting threat

D%N said:
...in many cases terrorists do not aim necessarily at causing harm but at disrupting normal operating schedules and just plainly causing choas...
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Exactly. That's why they're called terrorists. From their point of view, the destruction they cause is incidental to whatever insane goal they have. Someone who causes destruction with no goal behind it is just a psychopath.

And I bet this kid's insane goal was just getting some attention. Why else would he post the threat?

So yeah, the guy needs to go to prison for the protection of society, before he succeeds in shooting up a school. But prison won't fix him. He needs therapy. I hope the Swedish prison system provides it.
 
Onhell said:
It bothers me that people say prison is not the justice people deserve. I don't care what country you're from prison is not a Hilton or Holiday Inn, it's fucking prison. I certainly have no problem being in solitary confinement, but most people's biggest fear is being alone or in a strange place or both. You're every move is monitored and you don't have ANY privacy not even to take a shit.
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I was talking more about the time they serve, though quality of life in Finnish "prisons" is high too.  And most likely a school shooter would have gone to psychiatric treatment, not prison.  In fact, last year, there was a case where a man stabbed a schoolgirl to get psychiatric treatment, because he couldn't get it otherwise.  Two years ago a guy was convicted for church burning and some other stuff (I can't translate the legal terminology) and he got three years of prison, which is more than what is usually given for homicide.  I don't know how a school shooter would have been punished, though, as I've never heard of a case similar in the amount of murders in Finland.
 
Forostar said:
That's bad news indeed. I wonder what they eat then.
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Would you stop being sarcastic and cynical? I don't like how you redicule their situation. Post something constructive in this matter or please, don't post at all.

Onhell: I'm sorry if I can't find any sources on that. Anyhow I read that it's part of their treatment, their rehabilitation process.

Thank you SMX, that's exactly what I was thinking. Too bad the government's cutting funds for psychiatric treatments.
 
Forostar said:
People shit in all countries. But not everything else happens on the same level in all countries.
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You're right, I will venture to say that in the U.S it happens more often and at greater and more severe "levels" in the U.S.A than in Sweden or Scandinavia as a whole just from population size, income inequality and national crime levels alone.

@Yax: I can see that and it would probably has to do with psychological treatment, rather than entertainment value.
 
Yeah, I know. But the sound of "convicts" and "Playstation 3" in the same sentence doesn't ring that nice, does it (I'm just a bit pissed about criminals generally right now, so bear with me)?
 
(I can't translate the legal terminology) and he got three years of prison, which is more than what is usually given for homicide.
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What!?! Seriously Invader? People in Finland normally get LESS than 3 years for homicide? I find that very hard to believe.
 
That is indeed unbelievable. Is three years the highest sentence you can get for anything in Finland?
 
Yax said:
Would you stop being sarcastic and cynical? I don't like how you redicule their situation. Post something constructive in this matter or please, don't post at all.
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It was a serious question. Sweden belongs to the top of the most wealthy countries in Europe. I seriously never imagined that such things happen in such rich countries. I never heard of it. Not in the Netherlands either.

But take it as you like, it makes it all very convincing.
 
Onhell said:
And I HIGHLY doubt prisoners get playstations... I want documentation of that or I maintain it's bullshit.
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Read the info book, they do.

Loss of freedom is obviously not nice, but it is a warm room and 3 square meals (plus privileges) for people who don't mind committing a crime if it means only a short stint of freedom-loss if they're caught.
 
Prison should be work, not play.  If you go to prison, I think you should be basically put into school for something.  Get your GED (that's high-school equivalency for you Euro types), work on a university degree, do a trade.  It'd put people to work teach and give convicts a chance at a better life when they get out of prison.

Obviously, that doesn't apply to the 25-lifers, but the people incarcerated in the short term.
 
D%N said:
What!?! Seriously Invader? People in Finland normally get LESS than 3 years for homicide? I find that very hard to believe.
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Perun said:
That is indeed unbelievable. Is three years the highest sentence you can get for anything in Finland?
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No, it's not the highest.  IIRC three years or so is the typical sentence for unintentional manslaughter (e.g. drunk driving).  Okay, misphrased by me earlier, sorry.  Intentional manslaughter (which is how most murders are interpreted) gives you a harder sentence, up to 10 years or so.  For murder, you get a life sentence, which in practice is 12 or so years in prison, after which you're pardoned.  A lot of murders get "downgraded" to manslaughter for different reasons (like drunkenness, but it's not always even very clear-cut), so a lot of murderers walk free in less than ten years.

"A life of petty crime gets punished with a holiday
The victim's minds are scarred for life most everyday
Assailants know just how much further they can go
They know the laws are soft, conviction chances low "

Steve should come to Finland if he wrote Age of Innocence about Britain...
 
Today, for the first time in Holland, a 17 year old kid got 20 years because he (and another man) tortured his victim so terribly before they killed him. They stabbed the man 20 times and then tied him up. Their victim subsequently bled to death.

He showed the least of remorse, and refused any treatment.

Because of the gruesome nature of the murder, the under-age guy was given an adult sentence.

If I'm not mistaken, normally kids under 18 get a maximum of 2 years.
 
Well, sometimes people are broken.  If there's no remorse about the whole thing...the law should have no remorse for the guilty.
 
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