RUN FOR YOUR LIVES 2025 Tour Thread *SPOILERS INSIDE*

Ascendingthethrone said:
We’ll agree to disagree on the embarrassment.

Thank you. Considering I spend all week teaching and evaluating music, I am quite used to it!
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I will happily disagree with you on that.

Maybe the art of having fun and enjoying yourself at a concert rather than dissecting it to death with an expert ear is not quite as popular on here as it seemed to be in the concert venue itself.
 
Fozzie said:
I will happily disagree with you on that.

Maybe the art of having fun and enjoying yourself at a concert rather than dissecting it to death with an expert ear is not quite as popular on here as it seemed to be in the concert venue itself.
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I think it was more of a case of me being fed up with the band choosing those songs for the setlist

I have given Bruce plenty of free passes in the past with live song choices (The Red and the Black, The Great Unknown, The Time Machine). He has struggled with lots of songs in recent years

After leaving early in 2022 to avoid Aces High, I was really disappointed to see they picked it again.
 
Ascendingthethrone said:
I think it was more of a case of me being fed up with the band choosing those songs for the setlist

I have given Bruce plenty of free passes in the past with live song choices (The Red and the Black, The Great Unknown, The Time Machine). He has struggled with lots of songs in recent years

After leaving early in 2022 to avoid Aces High, I was really disappointed to see they picked it again.
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It`s going to happen though isn`t it when you are his age and been through is illness. If they don`t play the new/current stuff which you mention above then the cabaret act quotes will be thrown about on here.

If you left early in 2022 you are clearly of a different mindset to me and so our opinions will likely not be the same on these issues.
 
Fozzie said:
I will happily disagree with you on that.

Maybe the art of having fun and enjoying yourself at a concert rather than dissecting it to death with an expert ear is not quite as popular on here as it seemed to be in the concert venue itself.
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I'm not disagreeing with your overall point but I'd like to take the chance to address something I've seen expressed quite a few times. I can obviously only talk about myself, so everything I'll write will be my own experience and my own opinions.

Everyone has different ways they experience music. Personally I'm very analytical and I like to break down a performance or a recording to its absolute basics. I'll look into the chord progressions used, the keys and modes of a song, the time signature, the voice leading in the melodies and so on. Mind you, that's not something I'll set out to do, it's just how I usually perceive music. It happens automatically to some degree. I can turn it off, but I can also focus even more on that.

This might seem excessive, tedious, annoying or even absurd to others. Weirdly enough it's fun to me. I enjoy analyzing songs. For whatever reason my brain is wired in a way where I get enjoyment out of overanalyzing music. So, it's not a case of "these people keep complaining about little (and meaningless) details instead of enjoing the music"; it's me engaging with a hobby in a way that makes it even more fun and enriches the experience for me.

I think overall we need to be better about expressing and accepting different opinions. Like with the Ghost thing, saying they suck or are a shitty band is needlessy dismissive and boring. It stifles all potential for discussion. Explaining why a certain band or song doesn't align with someone's tastes is far more interesting to engage with.

Sorry for the tangent, back to the topic at hand :P
 
Vaenyr said:
I'm not disagreeing with your overall point but I'd like to take the chance to address something I've seen expressed quite a few times. I can obviously only talk about myself, so everything I'll write will be my own experience and my own opinions.

Everyone has different ways they experience music. Personally I'm very analytical and I like to break down a performance or a recording to its absolute basics. I'll look into the chord progressions used, the keys and modes of a song, the time signature, the voice leading in the melodies and so on. Mind you, that's not something I'll set out to do, it's just how I usually perceive music. It happens automatically to some degree. I can turn it off, but I can also focus even more on that.

This might seem excessive, tedious, annoying or even absurd to others. Weirdly enough it's fun to me. I enjoy analyzing songs. For whatever reason my brain is wired in a way where I get enjoyment out of overanalyzing music. So, it's not a case of "these people keep complaining about little (and meaningless) details instead of enjoing the music"; it's me engaging with a hobby in a way that makes it even more fun and enriches the experience for me.

I think overall we need to be better about expressing and accepting different opinions. Like with the Ghost thing, saying they suck or are a shitty band is needlessy dismissive and boring. It stifles all potential for discussion. Explaining why a certain band or song doesn't align with someone's tastes is far more interesting to engage with.

Sorry for the tangent, back to the topic at hand :P
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I have no issue with difference of opinion and if the above is your thing fair play to you. I do try to stay away from trashing other bands or other peoples points of view but i aren`t a music teacher or a musician so my pleasure is the experience of the show and the performance of the band.

I haven`t seen or heard anything from the 2025 tour to suggest it was worth the bashing it gets on here, but like yourself that is my own opinion .
 
Yax said:
Yes. The point of it is that you throw around almost the same kind of shit that people did regarding Heavy Metal. It's simple, it's gimmicky, it's for idiots that want to nod their heads to an earworm. Talking like that is being a music elitist. Saying a band is nothing more than a gimmick is elitist. If you get this upset by comparing two very similar quotes to another (one being 100% real), then maybe you should start thinking of what you say.
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I can't imagine anyone ever saying Metal is simple or full of earworms. That's just plainly ridiculous.

Many bands are just gimmicks:

"Bands considered "gimmicky" often rely on a strong visual or thematic element, sometimes overshadowing their musical merit. Examples include bands like GWAR, Ghost, Insane Clown Posse, and Lordi, who are known for elaborate costumes, stage presence, or overarching narratives. While these elements can be entertaining and contribute to a band's identity, some argue that they can also detract from the music itself.

Here's a more detailed look:
What defines a "gimmick" band?

Visuals:
Bands like GWAR, with their elaborate costumes and stage theatrics, or Ghost, with their masked personas and lore, heavily rely on visual elements to create an identity.

Thematic Concepts:
Bands such as Nekrogoblikon, who embrace a goblin theme, or Alestorm, a pirate metal band, build their image around a specific concept. "

What else would you consider elitist? Me saying that Vanilla Coke tastes like fizzy birdshit? That my first party Xbox controller plays better than my third party backup? That Woodwick burn nicer than Yankee Candles?

They're opinions born from experience, and like every experience, they are subjective to the person experiencing.

Elitism would be "These guitar strings are more expensive, therefore more exclusive, therefore sound better". Baseless comparisons, made from nothing, with the subject being perceived as higher class than something else - the Elite Class.

The guy that owns a Les Paul because he can say he's got a Les Paul, instead of actually playing and finding a guitar that's balanced perfectly for his feel and style of play.

Someone that says "I'll only have Lurpak Spreadable" without having tried any other butter based spread with identical ingredients, even though they know the option is there. That might be considered elitism.

By your rationale, I'd be elitist for saying The Sopranos is better than Teletubbies.
 
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Hat off, AI-assisted Fox News level of spin and strawman argument. Ghost has a gimmick. You said they are a gimmick (while slagging off their music with a verbal diarrhea which also essentially was deragotory to their fans). Nobody is arguing they don’t have a gimmick, which Maiden themselves have dressed their career and brand around. You are corksniffing, gate-keeping and being dismissive and insulting. It very much reminds me of how other used to slag, and some still are, heavy metal.
 
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Maiden would be like Saxon, if there was no Eddie (the gimmick) and Rod. You need many things to go your way to become a huge band/artist. The music is always the most important thing, but you don't become huge without gimmicks or a manager who knows what to do. That applies to Alice Cooper in the 70s, to many pop artists across the decades (like Madonna, MJ, Lady Gaga) and that also applies to Ghost nowadays.
Sometimes the gimmick is obvious like Alice's makeup, snake and guillotine (or like Eddie and Bruce's theatrics). Sometimes the whole show is a gimmick, like Rammstein, Manson or Ghost, but there is still some good music there. Lady Gaga is also a gimmick and she is a phenomenal artist.
Sometimes metal fans have their own MetalMeter. This is more metal than that etc. or this is disguised as metal but it's pop. Who cares?
IMO you can find quality in every music genre , even in the ones I personally hate (like Rap, RnB...)
 
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