RUN FOR YOUR LIVES 2025 Tour Thread *SPOILERS INSIDE*

I think we have 3 facts here:
1. Bruce did the right thing to not even try to sing the high notes, while being ill. Also, he had really good control of his voice, while singing his alternative vocal melody.
2. It sucked, because the song needs these high notes and this energy in general to be enjoyable.
( we can't say though that Bruce made mistakes, because it's unfair and not true. When he sings the original melody and it sounds like a strained barking, then that's a mistake)
3. It should be retired either way. Bruce can't sing it on the original key anymore. They won't tune it down and also Bruce singing alternative melodies using his strong mid and lower register doesn't work for this song.
So, it's a lose- lose situation. We can't make it any better by complaining or even discussing this subject. Aces High won't be performed well ever again. That's all.
 
@Vaenyr I'm with you. I wouldn't say it sounded phenomenal, I think it was weird and unsettling, but it definitely sounded better than the previous performances. To put it simply, his voice wasn't ugly, so it's a win. Still not good enough though. I could only listen to it once and I hope I can hear it again because I was definitely influenced by how different it was.
 
It wasn’t an “alternate vocal line” it was a guy in front of a festival desperately sing-talking half the words because he knew if he tried to sing it no air would come out of his mouth, let alone the correct notes. You could detect the panic in his voice as he desperately tried to find a workaround in real time. It was hard to listen to.
 
Robert Plant was 59 years old in 2007. I remember when I first heard Good Times Bad Times from the O2 Reunion gig, I thought ‘Wow they have really down tuned for his voice!’ Of course you they had to. The range of a voice is like a bell curve: You start with fairly limited range, grows over time and then diminishes as you age. If you have had good vocal training, you can still apply those skills to maintaining what remains (of course this is not fact for everyone). If some people in the band don’t want to transpose the song, pick something Bruce has a chance of singing.

I am not going to repeat my epic rant. All I will say is that this one song choice has soured my excitement for the gig. I will have a blast when I am there, but I will look for the early exit. I don’t want my lasting memories of a band that has shaped my life to be of a man (who is an idol to me) unable to accept the arrival of Father Time.

One final thing: the arrogance is grating on me. That you can go in front of people who have paid a lot of money and sing they poorly. Not because you can’t sing, but because you are too stubborn to change. The illness doesn’t change anything. He was poor before being sick.
 
Ruflux said:
I know there were a few people really insistent on Nicko also not being able to do the snare roll properly. I'd politely request those people listen to this version and then come back to me with an equivalent take from 2005.
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The start sounds its different. That start its not right or not like nicko plyed it. Nicko was an aawesome drunmer
 
Ruflux said:
In the nicest way possible: it fucking sucked. There's a stark difference between an alternative vocal line that's melodically interesting and an alternative vocal line that sounds awful in context of the song and in general because the singer's voice is completely shot due to illness.
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See, this is already a bit better since you indicated your issue being that the altered line doesn't fit the song, which is a valid complaint. Personally, I'd still argue that it didn't suck and was the best decision, considering how awful that section sounds when Bruce is healthy. It would've been a million times worse than anything Blaze delivered on stage with Maiden if Bruce attempted that while sick.

MindRuler said:
I went to the Helsinki show and it was amazing!
So no negativity or criticism about that. Rime was jawdroppingly good! Bruce shined there!
At the Helsinki gig Aces High was far from perfect but at least enyoable. This years Graspop version of Aces High was, to say it in the nicest possible way, not good. I guess my ears don´t hear what yours do and we agree to disagree on this one. :)
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And that's fine. I just genuinely would like to know why. Not even to argue, everyone's entitled to their opinion. It's simply not interesting for a forum to go "it sucks!" instead of "I didn't like it for the following reasons: [...]", you know? :)

BludBrutha said:
It wasn’t an “alternate vocal line” it was a guy in front of a festival desperately sing-talking half the words because he knew if he tried to sing it no air would come out of his mouth, let alone the correct notes. You could detect the panic in his voice as he desperately tried to find a workaround in real time. It was hard to listen to.
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This on the other hand is objectively wrong and just making shit up to keep complaining. Seriously, that's basically straight-up lying lmao

He didn't "sing-talk", unless you've never listened to Bruce's mid and low range. He sounded exactly as he does on large chunks of the Senjutsu album. He had great control over his voice and healthy technique, things he severely lacks when he sings the second half of Aces High's verses when healthy. The "panic" is also pretty much imagined. This isn't the first time Bruce has done this, he's done stuff like that in the fucking 80s.

Again: I'm fine with criticisms but they have to be in good faith (and preferably actually explain their issues, instead of just dismissing everything with "it sucked". That's just boring!). We can do better than that, folks ;)
 
Ruflux said:
In the nicest way possible: it fucking sucked. There's a stark difference between an alternative vocal line that's melodically interesting and an alternative vocal line that sounds awful in context of the song and in general because the singer's voice is completely shot due to illness.
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My thoughts exactly. The fact that Bruce was improvising the new melody lines during the song made it even worse.

@Vaenyr I am afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
GhostofCain said:
My thoughts exactly. The fact that Bruce was improvising the new melody lines during the song made it even worse.

@Vaenyr I am afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Which is fine, I'm not looking to change anyone's mind. As I said previously, it's all subjective anyway.

I simply want to see some written opinions that articulate their issues, instead of dismissive jokes or simply defaulting to "it sucks". The latter is so boring to me. It is a forum after all, having discussions is half the fun.
 
Vaenyr said:
See, this is already a bit better since you indicated your issue being that the altered line doesn't fit the song, which is a valid complaint. Personally, I'd still argue that it didn't suck and was the best decision, considering how awful that section sounds when Bruce is healthy. It would've been a million times worse than anything Blaze delivered on stage with Maiden if Bruce attempted that while sick.


And that's fine. I just genuinely would like to know why. Not even to argue, everyone's entitled to their opinion. It's simply not interesting for a forum to go "it sucks!" instead of "I didn't like it for the following reasons: [...]", you know? :)


This on the other hand is objectively wrong and just making shit up to keep complaining. Seriously, that's basically straight-up lying lmao

He didn't "sing-talk", unless you've never listened to Bruce's mid and low range. He sounded exactly as he does on large chunks of the Senjutsu album. He had great control over his voice and healthy technique, things he severely lacks when he sings the second half of Aces High's verses when healthy. The "panic" is also pretty much imagined. This isn't the first time Bruce has done this, he's done stuff like that in the fucking 80s.

Again: I'm fine with criticisms but they have to be in good faith (and preferably actually explain their issues, instead of just dismissing everything with "it sucked". That's just boring!). We can do better than that, folks ;)
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He still has great technique and a fantastic voice. But he doesn’t have the range anymore.

I don’t have a problem with him changing a melody to make it easier on him or for adding interest to a boring melody. There are some great examples of this e.g. No More Lies on Death on the Road. Alternatively he could avoid songs that are too hard to sing on the first place.

I admire your optimism, @Vaenyr. But I’m with @GhostofCain on this though. It is simply not good enough. Pick an easier song FFS.
 
I don't think he ever got the range to sing Aces High well (consistently). Of course, when he was younger, it was easier to hit the high notes, but to hit them for an entire song consistently was always a trouble for him. Songs like Aces and WED were always really difficult to perform and nowadays they're impossible. He can still do the screams ( like Wrathchild, Rime and Number) as it's a different technique. Also, he can still sing songs like RTTH that have some high notes.
Imo, he can still hit some high notes, but not for entire verses or choruses. Some C5s and D5s are still there.
 
Prowler said:
I don't think he ever got the range to sing Aces High well (consistently). Of course, when he was younger, it was easier to hit the high notes, but to hit them for an entire song consistently was always a trouble for him. Songs like Aces and WED were always really difficult to perform and nowadays they're impossible. He can still do the screams ( like Wrathchild, Rime and Number) as it's a different technique. Also, he can still sing songs like RTTH that have some high notes.
Imo, he can still hit some high notes, but not for entire verses or choruses. Some C5s and D5s are still there.
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Come on.... he was sick and they have put again aces high at the encore at his 66.
Check aces high during 2018 2019.
He can sing run to the hills evil that men do rime hallowed flight of icarus and many others
 
Vaenyr said:
And that's fine. I just genuinely would like to know why. Not even to argue, everyone's entitled to their opinion. It's simply not interesting for a forum to go "it sucks!" instead of "I didn't like it for the following reasons: [...]", you know? :)
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Alot of melody lines of the verses didn´t go well together with the instruments. Since the video is no longer available I can´t say the exact parts but there were quite a few in the first verse and some in the last.
 
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