Roman Polanski arrested by Swiss police on 32 year old US sex charge

It's a related subject. That also gets me though, that these priests that rape little kids are just relocated like it's no big deal. People aren't nearly as up in arms about that however because it's Religion. <_<
 
Forostar said:
We were yes. Just wanted to mention it -only to compare-, as a side step (especially since in Europe this was huge news recently).
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It's been huge news here. The local bishop was brought in to negotiate a legal settlement with the people suing the diocese for people who were sexually abused. He did so, and then was arrested for possessing child pornography and assaulting a boy. So the person brought in to make it better just made it worse. Turns out he was accused of assault in the 80s in NFLD, and yes, he was just relocated around as Suicidehummer says.
 
There are studies supporting the view that pedophiles cannot be rehabilated. They can't help the behavior because they are hard wired to be attracted to children.
 
Well, there's a difference between being hardwired and being rehabilitated. People can change behaviour they're naturally pushed to do due to social means. They just need to be aware of it and honest to someone about it. If you repress being gay and pretend you're not and hide it like a big secret, then you're like Ted Haggart.
 
Derek Smalls said:
There are studies supporting the view that pedophiles cannot be rehabilated. They can't help the behavior because they are hard wired to be attracted to children.
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Well, whether people want to admit it or not, it is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality and is not something that can be changed or "reformed". It is from birth.

However, the behavior of acting on those desires is another story.

LooseCannon said:
Well, there's a difference between being hardwired and being rehabilitated. People can change behaviour they're naturally pushed to do due to social means. They just need to be aware of it and honest to someone about it. If you repress being gay and pretend you're not and hide it like a big secret, then you're like Ted Haggart.
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Which is another reason having pictures is not a bad thing, it keeps them off the street and from doing any ACTUAL harm. Repressing these people will only force them to act out violently which is unfortunately happening more often because of the attitudes toward pedophilia.
 
The problem is that people have to make the pictures, which causes EXTREME harm. Also, viewing pictures does not stop fantasization about an act; it increases it, which increases the likelyhood of acting out on the fantasy.
 
True. The I think the resolution would be that having pictures taken before a certain point shouldn't be illegal but creating/distributing new ones should. Kind of hard to enforce though.

I think the ones we should really be focusing on are the people taking the photos. THEY should go to jail, not the viewers.

We discussed a similar subject in History class one time (dog fighting videos). I took the side that the viewer should not be penalized, rather the creator. I think the focus on the viewer is only used to distract people from the fact that they can't stem the flow of creators.
 
Forostar said:
Alright.

Still, I have much more problems with the grandscale abuse of young boys by the Jesuit order, and other orders of the Catholic Church.
That link was only one example. It happened in the USA, in Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, the UK, etc. etc.
Here, even a wiki page dedicated to the sexual abuse scandals in the Jesuit Order.
For years, there was hardly as much as police involvement. Times have fortunately changed. The church has to admit their scandals.
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A. I completely agree. No secret I'm catholic, no secret I wanted to become a Jesuit at one point and I too am sickened by this.

B. While related, it deflects from the original topic, I've said my 2 cents on that...

Suicidehummer said:
It's a related subject. That also gets me though, that these priests that rape little kids are just relocated like it's no big deal. People aren't nearly as up in arms about that however because it's Religion. <_<
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What rock do you live under? Not up and arms? Have you not read how many people have left the church because of these scandals? How many lawsuits have been filed? People are OUTRAGED and very much up in arms SPECIFICALLY because it's religion...


Let's make it clear. We are not talking about willing acts. We are talking about ABUSE. LC put it well in his last posts.
 
The other thing is this: most pedophiles don't do it for pure attraction, but because of the power they have over the child. I believe that is similar to rape, where it isn't all about the sex, but domination. Now, a 19 year old looking at an attractive 16 year old isn't the same thing- looking at a woman for her adult beauty is usually acceptable-thats why it isn't illegal (usually) for a 19 year old to have sex with a 16 year old.
 
depends on the State. There are "buffer" laws which vary, some states it is two years others 4. In other words in some states a person can be 18 their partner 16 and it's fine, in others the person can be 20 and their partner 16.... EVEN THEN, if the parents of the minors don't agree with the relationship they can file statutory rape.
 
Wasted CLV said:
The other thing is this: most pedophiles don't do it for pure attraction, but because of the power they have over the child.
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... you know this how?

Wasted CLV said:
Now, a 19 year old looking at an attractive 16 year old isn't the same thing- looking at a woman for her adult beauty is usually acceptable-thats why it isn't illegal (usually) for a 19 year old to have sex with a 16 year old.
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Um, yes it is. People are arrested for things just like that all the time.
 
Suicidehummer said:
... you know this how?
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I have a friend that is in charge of the sex offenders that are released back into public...its a requirement for him to understand these people.  He has mandatory training, and has spent many years in contact with pedophiles.  He and I have had some serious discussions about this.  Like LC said, its the rush.... its control.  It definitely is a difference in the way they are wired-- but a serial killer could say the same thing, and we are happier when they are behind bars.

Um, yes it is. People are arrested for things just like that all the time.
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Like Onhell said, many states have different laws.  Where I am at, 17 is the legal age of consent.  Statutory rape can come into it, but one of the most incriminating factors is when the event is 'doubled'-- as in sex with a minor ( say a 19 with a 16), plus getting high, drinking, or something of the sort.  That is when the court system is more likely to take a stance.
 
I think the main difference between a 19 year old going after a 16 year old is that they are only 3 years apart, plus the 16 year old has blossomed. Pedophiles on the other hand are attracted to prepubescent children and the reason they victimize so many kids is that the kids age out.

I strongly believe that a 19 year old who is convicted of statutory rape, should not have to bear a social stigma for the rest of their days by having to be a registered sex offender.
 
Yet it happens soooo often. The college where I tutor publicly posts the registered sex offenders in the cafeteria. Of the 6 that attend the campus I work at 3 of them were 19-20 and slept with a 15-16 year old girl... That can happen to ANYBODY. A lot of 15 year olds look like they are 20. Anyway, I feel sorry for those boys, but then there's the other 3... 43 years old, 50... etc with a 13-14 year old... sick.
 
Supposedly public safety. There is a website where you can look up sex offenders in your neighborhood or locations where "sexual offenses" took place. That is also VERY misleading. A coworker of mine found a naked man masturbating in her back yard and called the cops. Turns out he was schizophrenic off his medication, but now  her house is listed as a site of a sexual offense...
 
Yeah, I forgot to mention, the kid I was talking about has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life and his computer activity will be monitored for the rest of his life. I don't know of any other crime where even after being released from jail, you still don't have certain rights.

Plus, when I hear what some people say they want to do to pedos, it makes me question who is really the sicker person...
 
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