Random Song: Extreme - Peacemaker Die

How do you rate this song.

  • 6

    Votes: 2 28.6%

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    Votes: 0 0.0%

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    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 10

    Votes: 1 14.3%

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    Votes: 1 14.3%

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    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • 1

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • Total voters
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Mosh

Mosh

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Like Perun, I thought I would do one that wasn't so well known. First, let me give some background on the album the song appears on. III Sides to Every Story is a 3 part concept album. Each part is a "Side" that has it's own lyrical and musical style. "Yours" starts off the album with more hard rock songs and lyrics relating to War,Media,Racism,Political Parties and this song, which is a Tribute to Martin Luther King. "Yours" is softer and towards the end of it dives into more philosophical themed songs. The subject matters of this side is a fatherless child, a troubled lover, the death of God, as well as others that are better left heard then explained. The final side "The Truth" is one song titled Everything Under The Sun which is 3 parts that asks many more questions and leaving the listener with the question "Who Cares".

So anyway, this is one of my all time favorite albums and this is a good song off it. It features great backing vocals and guitar parts and really good lyrics. It is a great climax for this side of the album. It also has a funky main riff that is very catchy and true to Extreme's style. 10/10

The song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEO9JPiaU6g
 
Wasn't familiar with the tune (barely familiar with the band), so on first listen it gets a 6. No denying this guy plays some tasty guitar, and I was getting a bit of a Van Halen vibe, but not really my cup of tea. The guitar work is noteworthy, though.
 
Ugh.

I never liked Extreme, and I absolutely dislike the entire hair metal genre (one or two songs are nice when you're drunk and partying, but that's it). This song exhibits virtually everything I detest about that sort of music: A guitar that is so tacky it's more annoying than a mosquito in your room during a summer night, a vocalist who seems to sing with his cock, a chorus that reeks of hair spray, and... oh God this song is so long. Virtually everything that happens in it happened within the first minute, and afterwards, it's just repetition and more of that awful, awful guitar. Generic 80's hair metal (yes, I know it was released in 1992) from the same rotten sewer David Lee Roth and the worst of Aerosmith came from. 1/10.
 
Alright then!.. after my first time hearing it, I would say first and foremost that the thing I was most impressed with was Nuno Bettencourt's playing, the song has some cool catchy riffing and it is quite a lively tune. Overall I think it is pretty good, having said that... it's not really my thing, I give it 6/10.
 
Perun said:
Ugh.

I never liked Extreme, and I absolutely dislike the entire hair metal genre (one or two songs are nice when you're drunk and partying, but that's it). This song exhibits virtually everything I detest about that sort of music: A guitar that is so tacky it's more annoying than a mosquito in your room during a summer night, a vocalist who seems to sing with his cock, a chorus that reeks of hair spray, and... oh God this song is so long. Virtually everything that happens in it happened within the first minute, and afterwards, it's just repetition and more of that awful, awful guitar. Generic 80's hair metal (yes, I know it was released in 1992) from the same rotten sewer David Lee Roth and the worst of Aerosmith came from. 1/10.
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While I respect your opinion, I don't really hear much of a glam influence. Could you explain that?
 
Mosh said:
While I respect your opinion, I don't really hear much of a glam influence. Could you explain that?
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I can try. Primarily, it's the vocals. I don't know what this vocal style is called, but to me, they sound like anything David Lee Roth, Don Dokken and all their followers have put on tape. I just can't find any difference between them that is actually worthy of note.
Then, it's the guitars. I guess that "funky" style is atypical for the hair genre, but I still notice it everywhere I go in those directions.
Finally, it's just the entire songwriting. I just feel like I've heard this song a dozen times before with all those hair bands. Mostly the chorus. It really sounds like a generic 80's chorus to me.

I appreciate that from a musical perspective, what Extreme are doing is of high quality and I definitely wouldn't call them a "bad band"... but they play a type of music I can't stand and therefore, I can't really find any differences between the bands.
 
Well it was that album in particular that they were trying to move away from the Glam style. And on the following album, that style disappears completely. I get what you mean about the vocals, Gary Cherone does show his weakness on a few of the tracks such as this one. But the back up vocals are supposed to be like Queen. This video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NvnfXJK0Uw might make it easier to understand that. It was also filmed around the release of this album. I never thought of funky guitar being typical for that genre but I guess I can understand that. And the chorus is the weak link of the song.

I think my rating of a 10 is mostly in context of the album. It should be listened to as one whole album and that's how I heard it when got it. I didn't know anything about it.

Perun said:
I appreciate that from a musical perspective, what Extreme are doing is of high quality and I definitely wouldn't call them a "bad band"... but they play a type of music I can't stand and therefore, I can't really find any differences between the bands.
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This makes a lot of sense.  :ok:
 
Glam or no, I didn't care for it.  The only Extreme song I know was that terrible power ballad that was a hit, I think it was called "More Than Words," but I'd heard Eddie Trunk talk about the fact that Extreme was a much heavier band.  I'd never heard their heavier stuff before, though.  Now, I think I know why.  Glad you proposed it, though, this is in many ways a more interesting discussion than we have for classic songs that everyone vehemently agrees are 9s and 10s.  2/10
 
It was "More Than Words". And I don't like it much either. :)
 
Not a comment on the song, but didn't Gary Sherone join Van Halen for a while after Sammy left and before they decided to let DLR come back?  I was thinking he was on one album but didn't tour (or the other way around).

In defence of Hair Metal-- some of it sounded just like the other of it.  Similar to how Theory of a Deadman, 3 Days Grace and Nickelback all sound the same to me.  Some of it was pretty fun and good.  For instance I like Motley Crue, they had some great songs.  They didn't sound like Cinderella, Winger, or any of the other 'glam' versions.  But, I think they'd be called Hair Metal.

The only problem with bailing on a whole sub-genre of music is you miss out on some good/fun stuff.  However, I can understand, its difficult to parse through all the junk to get to something good.
 
Wasted The Great said:
For instance I like Motley Crue, they had some great songs.  They didn't sound like Cinderella, Winger, or any of the other 'glam' versions.  But, I think they'd be called Hair Metal.
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Like any genre, there are good bands and bad.  Often, the artists that create or pioneer a genre are the best in that genre.  Motley Crüe was a pioneer of the LA hair and makeup metal scene, but their music was grittier and sleazier than the bands that followed.  Their early stuff was great, and Dr. Feelgood was their masterpiece.  They spawned a lot of bands that copied their look, but couldn't copy their grit and talent.  Sort of like the million grunge bands that came after Nirvana.  Based on the very limited sample I've heard, Extreme may have been one of those bands that got a record deal because bands like Crüe paved the way.

[Fun fact:  Every time I type C-R-U-E, my iPad spellcheck automatically adds the umlaut.  Now THERE'S a band with cultural influence!!]
 
True enough.  There were some pretty decent bands in the early going.  Unfortunately, may of them couldn't make it past the first couple of records before geting cheesy or repetitive (or both). 

Love that the iPad spell checks correcty!!  (I just noticed that my spell check is not working...)
I was just reading wiki's page on 'hair metal'.  Its kind off funny to see W.A.S.P., Great White, and White Lion mentioned in the same sentence.
 
I get where Perun is coming from — the hair metal vibe is the worst thing about the track, especially the vocal style.
But I think think there is more going on here than I ever heard from Winger and that ilk.
First listen, but I don't mind the song at all.
 
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