Racial question

[Anonymous]

What I particularly dislike is people who spread nonsense while pretending to argue. But I guess a controversial thread like this can always turn into a dump for utter stupidity.

Well said! 

A thread like this becoming "a dump for utter stupidity" is exactly what I am trying to prevent. 

 

[Anonymous]

What I particularly dislike is people who spread nonsense while pretending to argue. But I guess a controversial thread like this can always turn into a dump for utter stupidity.

Exactly. I agree with all that's being said. It is "bullshit". You have people now who have completely lost their identity. They don't know who they are or where they are going. Once upon a time you were either A or B or C. Now the lines are blurred and look at the mess we are in with people hatin' on each other. More now than ever. There are some people that don't hold their place in the queue so to speak. The word race is now harder to define than ever - isn't it. And that was what prompted the question to be asked in the first place.

Culture was once ingrained -  now it's taboo to even mention lest it offends.

And who do we have to thank for that?

 

[Anonymous]

Exactly. I agree with all that's being said. It is "bullshit".

I'm glad that you recognise that your post was absolute mindless crap... That's what you meant, right?

You have people now who have completely lost their identity. They don't know who they are or where they are going.

Does it matter? Someone's identity as an individual is right here, right now. Cultures evolve and change over centuries, individuals over a lifetime. If you can't face change, you're not worthy of even the first hominids who could adapt to their changing environment.

Once upon a time you were either A or B or C. Now the lines are blurred and look at the mess we are in with people hatin' on each other. More now than ever. There are some people that don't hold their place in the queue so to speak.

Do you want to label people like you label kitchen utensils? It probably works with you, as you seem to have the intelligence of a teapot, but like I said, people and cultures evolve with time, otherwise we'd still be worshipping Zeus and checking for bird-omens.

Its people like you, unable and unwilling to change, who are a disgrace to the human species.

The word race is now harder to define than ever - isn't it. And that was what prompted the question to be asked in the first place.

The definition of race is as easy today as it was a million years ago when some apes turned progressively into humans. And it doesn't apply to Homo sapiens! Obviously, evolution has forgotten you and you're still at a fairly primitive stage that would put the Bonobos to shame.

Culture was once ingrained -  now it's taboo to even mention lest it offends.

Culture is still ingrained to various degrees, with a mix of different ones, making a new one more appropriate to the civilisation we live in (mainly in industrialised countries). There's nothing taboo about about it, except apparently for you.

Exactly. I agree with all that's being said. It is "bullshit". You have people now who have completely lost their
And who do we have to thank for that?

Go on, tell us. We'd be interested to know who you blame for your despicable mentality.






Note to Dukey: Did you intend to attract morons like this when you started your thread? You knew it was bound to happen!

 

[Albie]

This avatar that Lorax sports, correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not of those two teenagers in America that are in some "pro-white" organisation or something? Forgive me if I'm off the mark here, but if it is - they, from what I recall, have some pretty strong right-wing views that is really not healthy in people of that age. They should be out there doing what teenage girls normally do - not stuck in this brainwashing culture that will turn them into people so full of hate. It's exactly this scenario that creates fundamentalists/extremists/etc. that give religion a bad name.

 

[Raven]

This avatar that Lorax sports, correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not of those two teenagers in America that are in some "pro-white" organisation or something? Forgive me if I'm off the mark here, but if it is - they, from what I recall, have some pretty strong right-wing views that is really not healthy in people of that age. They should be out there doing what teenage girls normally do - not stuck in this brainwashing culture that will turn them into people so full of hate. It's exactly this scenario that creates fundamentalists/extremists/etc. that give religion a bad name.

And what does your average blonde teenage American girl normally do with her free time, may I ask? ..or am I stereotyping?

Incidentally, perhaps someone could clear up a few queries about the term 'race', which I have.  What Per is saying is that 'race' is an outdated term.  Is it untrue to say that Caucasian is a 'race', then?  Are breeds of cattle counted as different races of the cow gene?  Would a Labrador be, scientifically, a different 'race' to a greyhound?

As for the traditional usage of the term 'race', I don't see any problem with a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society (incidentally, what is ethinicity, while we're at it? ).  Every individual has the potential for good or evil, and it's up to them to choose what they do, not their genes.  After all, personality is not dictated by race...and it is not (as far as I'm aware) controlled by your genes.  Or even your appearance; one of my closest friends is originally from China (although he has lived here nearly all his life)-outwardly, he's very quiet and appears quite naive, but he has one of the sharpest senses of humour I've ever seen, and he has quite a filthy mind, too....

 

[Genghis Khan]

This avatar that Lorax sports, correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not of those two teenagers in America that are in some "pro-white" organisation or something? Forgive me if I'm off the mark here, but if it is - they, from what I recall, have some pretty strong right-wing views that is really not healthy in people of that age. They should be out there doing what teenage girls normally do - not stuck in this brainwashing culture that will turn them into people so full of hate. It's exactly this scenario that creates fundamentalists/extremists/etc. that give religion a bad name.

Unless I'm confusing the kids, they're twins in a musical group.  Apparently they were blessed or cursed (depending on your view) with a powerful vocal cords and their extremist right-wing parents are using the children as their mouthpiece to spread racist concepts.  Of course, the parents are masquerading their bigotry in the typical drivel of racists today by claiming they're not anti-black, or anti-Asian, etc. but merely wish "to show all the good things the white race has done over the years".  Pitiful.  The little Hitler Smilies on their T-shirts should make anyone puke.  Just google "racist musical twins" and you'll get a fuller answer, if you've the stomach. 

 

[IronDuke]

This avatar that Lorax sports, correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not of those two teenagers in America that are in some "pro-white" organisation or something? Forgive me if I'm off the mark here, but if it is - they, from what I recall, have some pretty strong right-wing views that is really not healthy in people of that age. They should be out there doing what teenage girls normally do - not stuck in this brainwashing culture that will turn them into people so full of hate. It's exactly this scenario that creates fundamentalists/extremists/etc. that give religion a bad name.

They're the duo called "Prussian Blue" (which, incidently, was a nickname SS officers gave to the chemical Zyklon B, used to gas people in the concentration camps). Their lyrics spout off nothing but hate cloaked in their unthreatening teeny-bopper looks. They sing of a "victory day" when racial purity will be achieved after a great war in which the "white race" (namely Northwestern Europeans) will emerge triumphant. Pretty sickening. Not only that, they're horrible singers. Look on You Tube for their videos.

Note to Dukey: Did you intend to attract morons like this when you started your thread? You knew it was bound to happen!

Actually, no. I've never encountered such an utter twit on these boards before. I assumed the discussion would be a bit more civillized, and actually focus on the cultural significance of "race" in different societies, as I originally asked. Some people will use any opprotunity to spout off their bullshit, I guess

That being said in a public venue (which these froums ARE NOT), I think everyone has a right to voice their opinions, regardless of how ignorant they are. I don't agree with what he says, but I defend to the death his right to say it.

 

[Albie]

I don't agree with what he says, but I defend to the death his right to say it.

I agree with that. Freedom of speech is the right of everyone - people need to voice their opinions. But, as you say, we really don't have to agree. And I'll skip the Prussian Blue YouTube stuff, if you don't mind - I'll take your word they can't sing.

 

[Genghis Khan]

They do Sieg Heil salutes at the beginning of their concerts. 

I think it is important to know this "musical group".  If they plan on coming to your home town, petition the venue to put a stop to it.

The kids are a good example why home-schooling can be bad.  Not that home-schooling is bad per se.

 

[Onhell]

Gentlemen, a discussion about Jews in a thread called 'Racial Question' can only be considered as very much off topic... Crooked noses, being good with money and disposing of some sort of (evil) strength are nothing but stereotypes. They have historical and sociological explanations, but nevertheless, they are stereotypes. So please.......

I know the conversation has moved away from this, but I'd like to address it. I really don't know where this comment is coming from. Nowhere in my posts am I being anti-semetic or "stereotyping" Jews. I merely used them as THE best example of an ETHNIC group, not a race, not the group to blame for society's ills or the like. I'm more upset by the fact people keep using "race" rather than proper nomenclature. I understand "average" who don't know better using it, but I expected more from this forum.

Keep on with the new direction of racist teenagers....

 

[Anomica]

I don't think you can call jews or muslims an ethnic group, since you have jews, christians and muslims in most western countries in the world. And if you'd happen to go to Palestine you'd see lots of semitic people of all three faiths, since that's the way people in that area look (just like most people in Africa have darker skin than most people in Sweden or Iceland). That doesn't mean you belong to a certain religion. Religion is one thing, ethnicity is another and race is a very old way to categorize people, stereotype them and rank them in order from good to bad, intellilgent to stupid. Maybe we should start measuring peoples heads again to tell if they're going to be criminals or not like in the 50s.

On the twin-discussion, I'm apalled that something like that can happen in countries that basically were built on immgration and immigrants' hard work and - often - suffering. That goes for the USA as well as Sweden and many other countries. It's very saddening that the stupidity of racial classification, neo-nazism and other forms of racism seem to take on speed again in these countries. How quickly we forget...

 

[Anonymous]

I don't think you can call jews or muslims an ethnic group, since you have jews, christians and muslims in most western countries in the world.

Yeah, it's pretty much a given that any town you live in these days will be your average cultural melting stew. Jews and mulims have been coming from both sides and it's interesting to note that they always as a rule bring their customs with them. You have alot of Jewish people now who have set up schools in our area to teach on their children the rights of the Torah. I'm not sure but alot of locals have spoken out about this in abundance. And it would seem to have had no effect. But I guess when you ask 'What is a Jewish or Muslim stereo type?' the answers are not as clear as they used to be. So I guess I'd have o agree with your argument.

And if you'd happen to go to Palestine you'd see lots of semitic people of all three faiths, since that's the way people in that area look (just like most people in Africa have darker skin than most people in Sweden or Iceland). That doesn't mean you belong to a certain religion.

No way does it. Religion can mean just about anything to anyone. What does it mean to have faith? These African cultures have found it difficult, probably moreso than most other cultures, to accept certain Christian ideals. And this is where the confusion lies. Their 'darker skin' shouldn't be used as a badge of non conformity. It's just an abuse of power really.

However I'm not sure about Palestine.

Maybe we should start measuring peoples heads again to tell if they're going to be criminals or not like in the 50s.

No way. But you'd have made a mockery of that were it to become legitimate.

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On the twin-discussion, I'm apalled that something like that can happen in countries that basically were built on immgration and immigrants' hard work and - often - suffering. That goes for the USA as well as Sweden and many other countries. It's very saddening that the stupidity of racial classification, neo-nazism and other forms of racism seem to take on speed again in these countries. How quickly we forget...

Sure, alot has been forgotten. In light of recent events too it makes it all the more relevant that things that once were and remembered for what they were and not how they were perceived. Suffering of classes is not restricted to one small minority of the general populace. I think you'll find that if you read up on alot of history you'll find an even keel so to speak. There really isn't cause to lean one way or the other. Which is what makes this so unique.

I guess it's an issue that can never be resolved peacefully.

 

[Anonymous]

Check out my take on this dubious character.

 

[Anonymous]

It might be a good idea to close this, as it's turned into something we didn't want... even if the offender has (rightfully) been banned. Feel free to send me objections or praises