Ozzy Osbourne Rants Against Bruce Dickinson

[LooseCannon]

Foro can be a little picky sometimes, but we're all friends in the end.

Now, when it comes to Bruce, sometimes there's such a thing as being the better man. Despite the prods from Ozzy, Sharon & Company, Bruce didn't have to say a damn thing...but he did. And it reflects, in my opinion, poorly on him.

 

[bornless1]

  No way man.  Ozzy is great, no question.  But I will never shake hands with anyone who would even come close to thinking Bruce and that celebrity and attention sucking Sharon are equally at fault here.  No way.  Bruce was talking a bit much.  But he was right. AND he said nothing about Ozzy.  That [uh-oh name calling is so frowned upon here] HAG!! was way out of line, and should stay the hell away from any rock shows, she has no place NEAR a metal show, or metal fans. 

    She threw eggs at Iron Maiden you sheep!!  What the heck sort of Maiden fans are here on the MAIDEN FORUM!!??  Man some of you are so interested in looking and sounding like green horn peacekeepers you are throwing Bruce under the bus, weather you even realize this or not!!  That money and fame sucking ding bat was attempting to embarrass and demoralize Maiden, your so called favorite band, and using Bruce's harmless words as an excuse.  Don't be lame.  She hates Maiden because THEY ARE BETTER THAN OZZY, and more importantly, they HAVE COST HER MONEY and Fame!!  In her eyes.  Disagree? Then you just don't know.  Now what.  That is it. That is her problem. Jealousy, greed and gold digging.  Years of hating Maiden. Not just one bit of speaking during that particular show. 

 

[Suicidehummer]

 

[HallowedBeMyName]

  No way man.  Ozzy is great, no question.  But I will never shake hands with anyone who would even come close to thinking Bruce and that celebrity and attention sucking Sharon are equally at fault here.  No way.  Bruce was talking a bit much.  But he was right. AND he said nothing about Ozzy.  That [uh-oh name calling is so frowned upon here] HAG!! was way out of line, and should stay the hell away from any rock shows, she has no place NEAR a metal show, or metal fans.  

    She threw eggs at Iron Maiden you sheep!!  What the heck sort of Maiden fans are here on the MAIDEN FORUM!!??  Man some of you are so interested in looking and sounding like green horn peacekeepers you are throwing Bruce under the bus, weather you even realize this or not!!  That money and fame sucking ding bat was attempting to embarrass and demoralize Maiden, your so called favorite band, and using Bruce's harmless words as an excuse.  Don't be lame.   She hates Maiden because THEY ARE BETTER THAN OZZY, and more importantly, they HAVE COST HER MONEY and Fame!!  In her eyes.  Disagree? Then you just don't know.  Now what.  That is it. That is her problem. Jealousy, greed and gold digging.  Years of hating Maiden. Not just one bit of speaking during that particular show.  

I somewhat agree, but no need to resort to name calling, mate. Everyone has differing opinions and their own personal take about the whole situation. There are two sides to every story, and people in this forum are taking the time to examine each, rather than cry "Maiden!" right away. But no doubt, Sharon had no place in throwing eggs at Maiden, especially if she supposedly only had beef with Bruce, but that's how I observe it.

 

[Prowler_108]

I agree with Hallowed here lets at least try to keep this friendly

 

[Ranko]

She threw eggs at Iron Maiden you sheep!!  What the heck sort of Maiden fans are here on the MAIDEN FORUM!!??  Man some of you are so interested in looking and sounding like green horn peacekeepers you are throwing Bruce under the bus, weather you even realize this or not!!  That money and fame sucking ding bat was attempting to embarrass and demoralize Maiden, your so called favorite band, and using Bruce's harmless words as an excuse.  Don't be lame.   She hates Maiden because THEY ARE BETTER THAN OZZY, and more importantly, they HAVE COST HER MONEY and Fame!!  In her eyes.  Disagree? Then you just don't know.  Now what.  That is it. That is her problem. Jealousy, greed and gold digging.  Years of hating Maiden. Not just one bit of speaking during that particular show. 

Look, here's how things are standing: Bruce Dickinson has probably got a couple of million pounds/dollars/euros on his banking account. He doesn't give a fuck about this Sharon business, nor does he spend his days worrying about it. Neither does Steve Harris, nor Rod Smallwood, nor any of them. They'll somehow manage to live with it, I'm sure.

If they don't worry about it, why should any of us?

Besides, as someone said in one of the above posts, why resort to the "us against them" mentality?

 

[bornless1]

agreed.... I'll never be a fan of Sharon 'O', though.  Ozzy has been a huge part of my life, and I love the man.  His words and music are legend.  Poor taste in women though!!

 

[SinisterMinisterX]

Another "Sharon has always been a rancid cxxt" story...

Around late 1999 or early 2000, she took on managing the Smashing Pumpkins. She dropped them in early 2000, unable to get along with Pumpkins leader Billy Corgan.

But the way she announced it in the press was: "I'm dropping Smashing Pumpkins for health reasons - Billy Corgan makes me sick." Not a paraphrase; I clearly remember the quote.

So you don't get along and decide to part ways... fine. Happens all the time. But why in the world did she need to bitch about it publicly? A press release just to call someone an asshole? She must be truly empty inside if her ego needs that kind of food.

 

[Prowler_108]

Sharon sucks.  End of story.

 

[Stan]

Sharon sucks.  End of story.

HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH! 

 

[TFF]

Good point - but then, does Ozzy really know what's going on at all? 

hahahahahahahahahaha 

 

[LordMaiden]

Hi,

My name's Ben Hewitt and I work for a website called The Quietus. We just put up an interview with Ozzy Osbourne in which he criticises Bruce Dickinson for insulting him onstage at Ozzfest.

http://thequietus.com/articles/04718-oz ... zfest-beef

What does everyone reckon?

I reckon Ozzy is a douchebag and Sharon is an insufferable publicity whore.

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Oh man the amount of retrofitting the story is fun here.  Sure Bruce was talking about how shitty reality TV is, right at the time when the top reality show was Ozzy's, but nothing to see here, Bruce was just innocently talking about the genre in general!  He definitely was in no way insulting the man who was paying him to perform!

Dude, what? Dickinson has shoving the proverbial dick up the media's ass for over 25 years. So it shouldn't be a shocker to anyone, INCLUDING OZZY, that he would go on stage and do a reality TV rant. You can't invite a T-rex into your house and then act surprised that the T-rex stomped all over it.

What gets me is Bruce never said anything about Ozzy himself. He ranted about reality TV which incidentally, Ozzy has admitted to regretting ever having anything to do with it. So it surprises me that after all this time, Ozzy has something to say.

And let us not forget Sharon made her television rounds after the incident so she could keep throwing her shit into Maiden's bucket.

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Agreed.

Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it's right to share it, (as in he has the right, but that doesn't make it right.) I agree with everything Bruce said, I just don't think he should have said anything on that tour.

You can stand up for what's right, for what you believe in, but you can do it in a bad way, and Bruce did. No one is going to listen to you if you insult them, call them stupid, tell them that the thing they love is an utter waste of time and that they should be ashamed of themselves. Bruce didn't come across as the bringer of truth, and integrity. He came across as a judgmental close minded snob, who thinks he's better then people who watch shows he doesn't like. (note: I'm not saying he is, or that's what he thinks, I'm merely stating how he came across)  

It's even more of a dick move because they were touring with Ozzy. Yeah Bruce never said Ozzy's name in a negative sentence. But it doesn't take a genius to realize the connection.  

That of course doesn't justify what Sharon did. She was just as childish as Bruce, the difference being, her childish behavior screwed over paying fans.

For the record, I hate Reality TV, I hate what it's doing to America, but I respect people more then I hate TV.

I don't know if I can get behind this.

This is heavy metal, which on a general consensus has always given mainstream the middle finger. That's why your favorite videos from bands in their prime happened to be showing at midnight once a week. And while you can make a case for metal bands who suck up to mainstream, you can't deny that making a reality show is even worse. So why anyone would act so shocked that the lead singer of a band who became enormously successful while keeping the middle finger up is beyond me.

"She was just as childish as Bruce, the difference being, her childish behavior screwed over paying fans. "

So that means she is significantly more childish than Bruce. The last time I checked, Maiden have been riding the same path their entire career. Just because a washed-up married couple decided to change theirs by sleeping with the media, doesn't mean Maiden should when the two intersect.

Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it's right to share it, (as in he has the right, but that doesn't make it right.) I agree with everything Bruce said, I just don't think he should have said anything on that tour.

Dude, of course he said something on tour. Up until that point, he was saying stuff on tour for over twenty years. You agree with Bruce like most Maiden fans do but you don't want him rocking any cradles? Well that wouldn't be normal, Bruce sucking up to the media whores and such.

It's even more of a dick move because they were touring with Ozzy. Yeah Bruce never said Ozzy's name in a negative sentence. But it doesn't take a genius to realize the connection.  

Most people at Ozzfest that year weren't giving a shit about the fact it was Ozzfest and we both know why.

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I don't think it was that preachy…I thought Mozzle was sharing his view, that both parties were in the wrong, and sometimes, degree of being wrong doesn't matter. We don't need a long-winded explanation here to explain why Sharon's a GREAT MUSICIAN - she is. But to explain why Bruce was an asshole - and he was being a bit of an asshole - well. That takes a longer winded explanation.

Again, I don't know why any of his actions would need to be explained when he wasn't acting differently that day.

The only reason this causes any conflict is because Ozzy is considered a legend through his music which ironically, was never a focal point of this incident.

 

[LooseCannon]

I'm not explaining anything. Bruce should know better than to badmouth the festival organizers. He doesn't show up and Wacken and insult the people who organize that festival. He doesn't show up at Sonicsphere or Download and badmouth those blokes. There were a thousand and one other things to rant about, and he chose to attack Ozzy. That's not something that rolled off his tongue once or twice in the heat of the moment; Bruce deliberately chose that action, and he should be held accountable for doing so.

That - in no way - means Sharon or the people who fucked up Maiden's set had the right take such despicable actions. They, too, were in the wrong. They attacked someone on stage for the sole purpose of ruining a show because they didn't have thick enough skin to take the comparatively weak insults Bruce was tossing out.

Here's the rub: you're saying Bruce acted in the way he usually acts. I'll give you that. But Bruce Dickinson is not a wild fucking animal. He is a human being, with sentience, and the ability to discern right from wrong. The rants he goes on are generally the way he should act at a metal show. It was wrong at Ozzfest, and you need to take Bruce down from that pedestal you have him on and realize that he cocked up, and he made Iron Maiden look bad to a lot of metal fans.

 

[LordMaiden]

I'm not explaining anything. Bruce should know better than to badmouth the festival organizers. He doesn't show up and Wacken and insult the people who organize that festival. He doesn't show up at Sonicsphere or Download and badmouth those blokes. There were a thousand and one other things to rant about, and he chose to attack Ozzy. That's not something that rolled off his tongue once or twice in the heat of the moment; Bruce deliberately chose that action, and he should be held accountable for doing so.

Quote him attacking Ozzy.

If he gets up there at a Wacken concert and says the same thing, do you think Wacken would be offended?

That - in no way - means Sharon or the people who fucked up Maiden's set had the right take such despicable actions. They, too, were in the wrong. They attacked someone on stage for the sole purpose of ruining a show because they didn't have thick enough skin to take the comparatively weak insults Bruce was tossing out.

I wouldn't expect anyone here to think she was right so there is no need to say otherwise.

Here's the rub: you're saying Bruce acted in the way he usually acts. I'll give you that. But Bruce Dickinson is not a wild fucking animal. He is a human being, with sentience, and the ability to discern right from wrong. The rants he goes on are generally the way he should act at a metal show. It was wrong at Ozzfest, and you need to take Bruce down from that pedestal you have him on and realize that he cocked up, and he made Iron Maiden look bad to a lot of metal fans.

You can't have it both ways. Either you shit on the media or you suck up to them. By proposing Bruce should suck up, just because he was at a corporate concert, means you would rather have him defeat everything he's believed since he has been a member.

And I happen to like this pedestal. I'll keep waving it in the air while I roll around naked in glee, laughing at the hypocrisy of all of this.

 

[Forostar]

I'm not explaining anything. Bruce should know better than to badmouth the festival organizers. He doesn't show up and Wacken and insult the people who organize that festival. He doesn't show up at Sonicsphere or Download and badmouth those blokes.

There's no need because these festivals respect the artists involved. On page one, Ronkas explained very well what might have angered Bruce, at Ozzfest.

There were a thousand and one other things to rant about, and he chose to attack Ozzy.

He didn't mention his name, but he and his lovely wife are the organizers of Ozzfest. That's the difference.

That's not something that rolled off his tongue once or twice in the heat of the moment; Bruce deliberately chose that action, and he should be held accountable for doing so.

I am glad he spoke his mind. Sometimes, things need to be said in the open.

It was wrong at Ozzfest, and you need to take Bruce down from that pedestal you have him on and realize that he cocked up, and he made Iron Maiden look bad to a lot of metal fans.

He didn't. Maiden only got more positive attention.

I'd like to exactly know what sentence, which issues were wrongly said and done by Bruce. Were we really so pissed off at Bruce in 2005? Any topics left from that era? Maybe we can look up and see what Bruce exactly did and explain what is so wrong about it.

 

[LooseCannon]

Sorry, Foro, you're not in North America - Maiden got a lot of negative press (admittedly, in the underground media) as a result of some of the things Bruce said. Yes, Bruce maybe should have said things in the open, but on stage at someone's gig? It's not the right way to say it, or handle things.

LordMaiden, you're saying that Bruce had to either suck up to the media or shit on them. Well, I disagree. He could have said absolutely nothing about reality TV, at least, not ranting at a concert. He could say some more controlled things in interviews and the like. Sorry, I think you're the sort of person that if Bruce walked up to Ozzy and beat him about the head with a tire iron, you'd be chanting for one more blow.

 

[Forostar]

Sorry, Foro, you're not in North America - Maiden got a lot of negative press (admittedly, in the underground media) as a result of some of the things Bruce said. Yes, Bruce maybe should have said things in the open, but on stage at someone's gig? It's not the right way to say it, or handle things.

Well, Bruce often slags the American media off, so I am not surprised they often don't like what he says.
Worldwide, Maiden got more recognition because of their attitude, especially because of the way they dealt with that foul gig.

Maybe he/Rod tried to communicate behind the Osbourne curtain, but perhaps it didn't work. I'd like to read all this in a future Bruce biography, whenever he thinks the time is right to speak about it.

 

[LordMaiden]

Sorry, Foro, you're not in North America - Maiden got a lot of negative press (admittedly, in the underground media) as a result of some of the things Bruce said. Yes, Bruce maybe should have said things in the open, but on stage at someone's gig? It's not the right way to say it, or handle things.

What? Explain to me the difference in magnitude relating to speaking out in the open either through a concert or any other form of media. While you're at it, explain to me why any Maiden fan would give a shit what the U.S. media thinks? Are you really going to use the same medium that sucks corporate music's ass as a source of ammo?

LordMaiden, you're saying that Bruce had to either suck up to the media or shit on them. Well, I disagree. He could have said absolutely nothing about reality TV, at least, not ranting at a concert. He could say some more controlled things in interviews and the like.

Once again, if he said the same thing at any other type of concert, you wouldn't give a shit. If you did, you would have stopped being a fan of Maiden a long time ago. I like how Bruce is required to shut up just because its Ozzfest.

Sorry, I think you're the sort of person that if Bruce walked up to Ozzy and beat him about the head with a tire iron, you'd be chanting for one more blow.

Now you're just being preposterous. The difference between you and me is I won't say Bruce was wrong because that would require me to say he's been wrong the entire time he's been with Maiden. Nobody is going to say that. I figure that's because most Maiden fans like Maiden for their stance on media. According to you however, their stance should take a backseat when the media is actually there.

 

[LooseCannon]

Your logic is terrible, LordMaiden. I'm not saying Bruce was wrong every time he opened his mouth, just in one specific instance, because he was saying things that could be (and were) construed as attacks against a festival organizer. One error doesn't make someone always wrong. Bruce ain't the Bible; one error doesn't invalidate the whole thing.

Maiden gets bad press in the US = less albums sold = less tickets at concerts. I always thought they wanted to make money, and they could have made MORE by being a little more careful. The casual fan who might have become the hardcore fan may have been turned off by the way it was presented. It shouldn't be Maiden vs. Media…it very rarely is, as the media in Europe has been very Maiden-friendly in the past (and continue to be). I see no logical reason why they should have made it worse.

Bruce isn't required to shut up. He could have gone off on a thousand other topics. MTV. Britney Spears. Pop in general. I don't know who was big back then anymore, but you see the point. He didn't need to rip up reality TV over and over. He chose to do that, for the purpose of upsetting his hosts.

 

[LordMaiden]

Your logic is terrible, LordMaiden. I'm not saying Bruce was wrong every time he opened his mouth, just in one specific instance, because he was saying things that could be (and were) construed as attacks against a festival organizer. One error doesn't make someone always wrong. Bruce ain't the Bible; one error doesn't invalidate the whole thing.

You're not getting it, so I'll say it again: Nothing Bruce said conflicts with any kind of positioning he has held in the past. You like Bruce when he speaks his mind. You just don't like Bruce when he speaks his mind at a concert where his ranting my stir up the pot.

Maiden gets bad press in the US = less albums sold = less tickets at concerts. I always thought they wanted to make money, and they could have made MORE by being a little more careful. The casual fan who might have become the hardcore fan may have been turned off by the way it was presented. It shouldn't be Maiden vs. Media…it very rarely is, as the media in Europe has been very Maiden-friendly in the past (and continue to be). I see no logical reason why they should have made it worse.

Huh? Since when has Maiden ever been concerned with anything you just posted? You want to play it like everyone over here was up in arms rooting for Ozzy, which wasn't the case. However, it probably didn't help when Sharon was on various TV shows afterwards, sucking ass and gaining sympathy which evidently, you have no problem with.

Bruce isn't required to shut up. He could have gone off on a thousand other topics. MTV. Britney Spears. Pop in general. I don't know who was big back then anymore, but you see the point. He didn't need to rip up reality TV over and over. He chose to do that, for the purpose of upsetting his hosts.

So upset that they threw eggs and repeatedly cut off the PA. You go ahead and sympathize with the side that throws eggs. I'll stick with the band that kept on playing.

Your logic is terrible, LordMaiden.

I don't know what kind of forum dick you are throwing at me here, but I have addressed much more of your statements than you have mine.