Nordic Countries

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Freeyyaa, Jan 5, 2016.

  1. CriedWhenBrucieLeft

    CriedWhenBrucieLeft Night Growler

    Пyдбeудр
     
  2. Freeyyaa

    Freeyyaa mordebo et stringebo

    Get surprised, dazed and confused: I am a language scholar as my mom was.
    I can call modern Russian "purebred" as no language has ever influenced it's grammar as much as Anglo-Normandic did to Old and Middle English.
     
  3. Ariana

    Ariana Black-and-white leopard

    1. A linguist preferring languages not to evolve... wow.
    2. *Anglo-Norman
    3. *its grammar
    4. Old English existed way before 1066.
     
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  4. Pand

    Pand Ancient Mariner

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  5. Perun

    Perun Cheesemäster Staff Member

    Then please enlighten a fellow language scholar - in my case, a philologist - how it is justified to use Biological terminology such as "purebred" in reference to a language, how a language can only evolve if it is secluded from outside influence, and how Russian can be purebred if the very name of its language is of foreign origin...
     
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  6. Ariana

    Ariana Black-and-white leopard

    You forgot to mention that their alphabet is also borrowed..
     
  7. Freeyyaa

    Freeyyaa mordebo et stringebo

    And I Wonder why Icelandic still exists if it have always been secluded.
    P.S. and un peu d'offtop...
    Mister Perun what is your ethnic adherence and your mother tongue?
    The thread is for all aspects of Nordic countries not only the languages. What about daily life?
     
  8. Perun

    Perun Cheesemäster Staff Member

    I'm not answering your question before you answer mine.
     
  9. Ariana

    Ariana Black-and-white leopard

    Why is that of any importance and who's off topic now?
     
  10. Zare

    Zare Dream of broken citadels

    I might get her point simply because Croatian belongs to same language family, and absolutely does not tolerate any invented new words for these. They sound stupid and nobody uses them. So we use - Internet, telefon, automobil.
    From my layman perspective they're conservative languages. My Polish colleague told me that he could fluently read 17th century works.
     
  11. Zare

    Zare Dream of broken citadels

    I heard they're terrible at mingling

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    I'd love to go up there and invade some personal spaces.
     
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  12. Ariana

    Ariana Black-and-white leopard

    But that's the thing, isn't it? If you freely adopt loan words and smoothly integrate them in your language, with the relevant grammatical changes that govern all other vocabulary items (cases, gender, etc.), how can the language be conservative, let alone "purebred"?
     
  13. Dr. Eddies Wingman

    Dr. Eddies Wingman Brighter than thousand_suns

    Except when drubl.
     
  14. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    How reliable are Russian scholars when they (while having endured state control and media, for decades, if not centuries) teach what they are told to teach, rather than teach what is correctly researched.
     
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  15. Zare

    Zare Dream of broken citadels

    As Perun said it's a term from biology and I don't know what's the context behind it either.
     
  16. Maturin

    Maturin Sköldpadda

    The idea of a "pure" language is one of the oldest nationalistic ideas conceived. It's exactly the same as arguing about race.
     
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  17. Ariana

    Ariana Black-and-white leopard

    And I think that's exactly why many of us reacted the way we did. It reeks of nationalism.
     
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  18. SinisterMinisterX

    SinisterMinisterX Illuminatus Staff Member

    There have been several famous historical "experiments" where newborn children were never spoken to, in order to see what "natural" language they would come up with. Amazingly, all such experiments resulted in the local national language declared as the "natural" tongue (except for one where the kid supposedly started speaking Hebrew spontaneously, thanks Jehovah).

    People will go to cruel lengths to prove their language is "pure".
     
  19. Perun

    Perun Cheesemäster Staff Member

    That story is age-old. And I literally mean, thousands of years. Herodotus reports it, and I think there are earlier versions of the story as well.
     
  20. Dr. Eddies Wingman

    Dr. Eddies Wingman Brighter than thousand_suns

    On topic.

    A Finnish man was caught by cannibals somewhere in the world. They put him in a big pot, put it over a fire and left him there for an hour or so. After an hour, they decided to take off the lid and check if their dinner was properly cooked.

    A smiling face looked up from the pot. The Finnish guy was very much alive and kicking, and said to the cannibals:

    - Thank you for the lovely sauna. Now can I have a towel please?
     
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