Metallica Owes Everything to Maiden

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The Five Most Overrated Artists of All Time!
by Anonymous



Note: This is an editorial and thus expresses the writer's personal opinions. If you disagree, why not write your own editorial?
There are some bands whose reputations vastly exceed their talent. The following five are the most glaring examples I have found to date.

5. Rage Against The Machine
Here was a band with excellent musicianship and hearts firmly in the right place. Having said that, the raps on the albums following their self titled debut were homogeneous, tiresome and forced. Rage have been called the very best rap/metal band. If this is true (and it probably is)then I am very sad for the rest of the genre's practitioners. I look forward to the day when the Rage band works with a worthy lead singer, one Chris Cornell.

4. Kid Rock
Kid Rock's "Devil Without a Cause" album is widely considered the best hard rock album of the late nineties. No question, it's a somewhat consistent, somewhat clever album made with a great deal of savvy. It's also the most cartoonish, sexist, racist and hopelessly white trash piece of masturbatory scatology ever to come out of Detroit. In other words, it's bad music done by somebody with a good deal of talent. If you're short on guilty pleasures, go ahead and by it. The rest of us will be listening to AC/DC really loud, and making eyes at your girlfriend. Above average? Probably. The best hard rock album of the nineties? Not a chance in hell.

3. Metallica
In heavy metal, Metallica is regarded with the kind of reverence that blues buffs have for BB King. This is somewhat justified. After all, Metallica were more ambitious in their heyday, wrote stronger albums and better compositions than their peers. They also had strong musicianship, and their mid eighties output has stood the test of time well. The simple fact remains, however, that they owe almost all of their ideas to Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. What's more, the band attempted a disgusting 90's sellout. Not enough for ya? Fine. Van Halen was more influential, Megadeath wrote better lyrics, the production qualities on their first albums were abysmal and their recent output has sucked enormously. Sorry, but it had to be said. Not to put too fine a point on it, there simply isn't as much to celebrate here as many fans and critics seem to think.

2. Nirvana
Since Kirk cobain's death, he has been treated with the reverence normally reserved for our greatest lyrical visionaries. "Nevermind" is considered a classic. Now, I hate to speak ill of the dead and all that, but here's the dilio: a lyrical visionary he ain't. In fact, his songs are really not that distinguished or interesting. I don't deny that Cobain was a charismatic, elusive antihero to many but the bottom line is that he was a egotistical punk with angst and a drug problem, not much else. (I mean "punk" in the nicest way possible). He had a good band, too, but that alone really doesn't qualify him for the kind of John Lennonesque reverence he gets today.

1. Radiohead
I don't know where to begin. Over the course of the years since the release of "The Bends" and especially "OK Computer", Radiohead's abilities have been drawn so out of proportion and they have been made so fashionable that what little appreciation I once had for them is gone. So let's clear this up right now; Radiohead is NOT the best band of it's generation. Radiohead is NOT significant or innovative. Radiohead IS as pretentious as they come. Yes, they are also terribly ambitious and progressive but this doesn't mean anything when your reach exceeds your grasp so much.


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I agree with his opinion on Nirvana.
When it comes to what he wrote about Metallica, I am always very reluctant on the term "sell-out", but that's another discussion.
 
I second that Perun... Nirvana WAY overrated, as for Metallica owing everything to Priest and Maiden... I don't know. Last I heard Joe Satriani was the one that gave Hammet all his pointers and by the black album Hammet had run out of ideas hehe. Oh well.
 
I disagree with the view that Metallica would be nothing without Maiden. It's just pure bullshit. I don't really like Metallica that much but their early stuff is not anything like Maiden was back then
 
If Metallica owes everything to Maiden and Priest or not, I'm not sure because they were also influenced by Black Sabbath, Motorhead, and punk bands. But it doesnt matter, because Maiden is superior Metallica in every category. I agree with that top 5. Nirvana and Metallica definetly deserves to be up there.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Feb 28 2005, 11:05 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Feb 28 2005, 11:05 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Last I heard Ivgene Malsteem was the one that gave Hammet all his pointers...
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You're getting your guitarists confused, Onhell. Hammett's guitar teacher was Joe Satriani (who also gave lessons to Steve Vai). I was a HUGE Metallica fan back in the 80s, and I've never heard anything about Yngwie teaching Hammett. Yngwie probably influenced Hammett somewhat, but that's about it.

Edit: for all those who don't understand why some people venerate Cobain... you had to be there. You had to be an American of the right age at the right time to get the full impact. People like me (Americans who are currently 30 to 35 years old) will always have a special place in our hearts for Nirvana. We will also always love Guns N Roses and 80s Metallica. Those 3 bands were the major front-line warriors against hair metal and power ballads. I'll be the first to admit that Nirvana's music hasn't stood the test of time as well as GNR or Metallica, but back in 1992 they were something special. Nirvana single-handedly caused the downfall of bands like Winger, Warrant and Firehouse, and for that we owe them eternal gratitude.
 
Oh my bad, thanks SMX, I actually flipped a quarter because I couldn't remember which one (not really but I like flipping quarters hehe). And you're right, Nirvana is... dated, But 90% of Metalheads worship 80's metallica and GnR (myself included) [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--] Nirvana... I like Nevermind which IS a classic (as is Pearl Jam's TEN) but If Cobain hadn't killed himself... I bet nobody would even care about them just like they have forgotten Pearl Jam.
 
I never said Nirvana was bad. I just think they are completely overrated. I was a child when all that grunge thing happened, so the teenagers dropping like flies left quite a bit of an impact on me. That Generation (I)x(arus) scared the crap out of me back then and I still get the chills when I see that Cobain remains an idol.
 
I agree with 7th Death of a 7th Death, have you heard Saint Anger, its really rubbish
 
ive heard St.Anger, and its not as bad as people may think. Songs like "The unnamed feeling" and "Sweet Amber", plus the Titletrack "st.anger" are underrated and overvoiced by the rest of the crappy album.

Why does he write "kirk cobain" and not "curt cobain"?
 
maybe if you compare it to all the other nu metal out there it's not so bad, comparing it to whatever else they did in the past (including load and reload), in other words they have been capable of doing better work, it sucks ass, majorly, like, you know. For example Fear of the Dark, sub-par Maiden album if compared to their "golden years" in the 80's, really good stuff considering that by 1992 their brand of metal was undersiege by the "grunge" movement.
 
I was a fan of Nirvana when they were at their peak on radio, but I was quite young and impressionable. Now I find it to be an occasional treat, emphasis on occasional.

As far as Metallica goes, I don't dig them. They are terribly generic thrash, its sad but true [!--emo&^_^--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/happy.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'happy.gif\' /][!--endemo--] I don't quite understand why someone would say they owe everything to Maiden though, since they sound quite different, but oh well.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-metal1225+Mar 21 2005, 01:43 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(metal1225 @ Mar 21 2005, 01:43 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]ive heard St.Anger, and its not as bad as people may think. Songs like "The unnamed feeling" and "Sweet Amber", plus the Titletrack "st.anger" are underrated and overvoiced by the rest of the crappy album.
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[/quote]Not as bad as people think? They've gone from a once-great thrash band to being a cheap radio band that appeals to the angsty emo teen. They've jumped on the nu-metal bandwagon - in fact, the only similarity I can see with their old stuff is that they use the same types of instruments as they used to. Oh, and Hetfield still can't sing, but that should be a given.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-SearanoX+Mar 21 2005, 10:24 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(SearanoX @ Mar 21 2005, 10:24 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--][Metallica have] gone from a once-great thrash band to being a cheap radio band that appeals to the angsty emo teen.
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I'm don't disagree completely with SearanoX, but allow me to offer an alternative perspective on the "angsty emo teen" lyrics from St. Anger...

Hetfield wrote those lyrics when he was only a few months out of rehab, in his first year of recovery from alcoholism. I can tell you the following from personal experience: when a person becomes addicted to alcohol or drugs, their emotional growth freezes at that age. They can't mature. Hetfield was always an angsty teenager, emotionally; he just covered it up with alcohol and bravado for many years. When a drunk gets into recovery, they start to feel emotions "normally" again. That is, "normally" for a non-alcoholic; to the newly-recovering drunk, it's virtually a new experience. For all intents and purposes, Hetfield is a teenager in an adult's body. While I didn't like his lyrics from St. Anger much, I could still relate to them. I remember myself what it's like to feel that way, from when I began my own recovery over a decade ago.

An old friend of mine from a recovery program - a fellow who had been sober many years when I first met him - told me early on: "In the first two years of recovery, all you get to do is get your brain out of hock. The next three years you spend learning to use it again." My experience, and my observation of hundreds of other recovering drunks, strongly suggests that this is true. I expect that whenever the next Metallica record comes out, Hetfield's lyrics will be much more mature. He'll have done a decade's worth of growing up in a 2-year span.

There's a moral to this story: people in their first year of recovery from alcoholism / drug addiction should not write songs! Or if they must, don't subject the rest of us to hearing them!
 
I like Metallica. They were a great band.
Everyone in metal world owes everything to black sabbath, and then to thier succesors.
Metallicas owes most of its success to Mustaigne, he is one of the best musicians for me. His influence is really clear in early Metallica songs.
And about Maiden.... what can I say? For me, they're the best band all over history. Any new band has a lot to learn from them!
 
I agree.
Metallica was great. Keyword was great. I have lost all respect for them now. They are no longer the band they used to be and will never be the band they used to be. Maiden on the other hand is still going strong and will be strong for many years to come. Up the Irons!
 
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