Libya in new hands

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Apparently Obama is going to insist on a "no-drive" zone as well for military vehicles. That could result in gov't forces losing a lot of their advantages. I do wonder if the Arab League should consider committing forces to Libya, but there is no UN resolution to do so.
 
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I just wonder how we enforce that (if we have enough planes in the area), if tanks engage the rebels, do we supply tactical support?   And if we can pull off a no-drive zone, I think that means both sides dig in and there are essentially 2 Libya's until one side or the other has enough to break though, but recent events allowed Ghadaffi to retake a fair amount of oil fields that no one in the west will buy now.  

I am sure there is more going on behind the scenes than we know about, but my concern is we are too late on this and we are in for a stalemate, I do not see Ghadaffi leaving until he sees zero options, for him a stalemate is probably okay and he's fine waiting it out.
Eddies Wingman said:
I read that the Khaddafi government have responded to the UN decision by calling for a cease-fire ...

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/18/libya-calls-for-cease-fire-in-civil-war/?hpt=C1
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That could be good news.
 
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With Arab League support, as Zare noted, we have more than sufficient planes to do so, and hopefully the bases as well. UK strike fighters will be very useful as well, and the USA has an AAS in the area which has Harriers, can get the job done as well.
 
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Sorry to point this out, Foro, but it's not England - it's Britain. I know it sounds petty, but if a Scottish regiment gets involved it may not take too kindly to be referred to as English. :)

Still, just as the UK government is making wholesale changes to the armed forces (i.e. ditching Harriers, etc. and cutting back on so much spending on defence), we get this. Couldn't have come at a better time.

Gaddifi should have been ousted 20 years ago....
 
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LooseCannon said:
With Arab League support, as Zare noted, we have more than sufficient planes to do so, and hopefully the bases as well. UK strike fighters will be very useful as well, and the USA has an AAS in the area which has Harriers, can get the job done as well.
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Italy has told their bases can be used.

Albie said:
Sorry to point this out, Foro, but it's not England - it's Britain. I know it sounds petty, but if a Scottish regiment gets involved it may not take too kindly to be referred to as English. :)
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Oops!  :blush:
 
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Just heard on the radio that Gadaffi responded with threats about attacking civilian airliners in Mediterranean Sea.
 
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Zare said:
Just heard on the radio that Gadaffi responded with threats about attacking civilian airliners in Mediterranean Sea.
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Does he have the air power to do so, if UN air forces are already in place? Or are these the ramblings of a madman?
 
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At least UN air forces need to (be) organize(d) quickly in order to not leave a gap in the no fly zone.
 
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Eddies Wingman said:
Does he have the air power to do so, if UN air forces are already in place? Or are these the ramblings of a madman?
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Foro's right. He has '70-s era fighters which are more than capable of shooting down a defenseless bulky flying objects such as airliner. However, when no-fly zone gets done, going up in those fighters (MiG 21/23, Mirage F1) will be a suicide mission. Ramblings of a madman. However, if they didn't retire MiG-25s, things would be very very different. Foxbat can outrun anything west can put up on the carrier, it could run through no-fly zone and stick an R-40R inside some poor airliner.
 
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Foxbats would be destroyed on the ground, in that case, I imagine. However, they have been retired.

Also, the Algerians run Foxbats, so I imagine they could assist.

This could be the first joint NATO-Arab League military mission, you know. That could be a huge step forward to finding a balance between those two alliances.
 
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Heh, surprise surprise Gaddafi pulls out a ceasefire, therefore nullifying the effect of the UN resolution while he controls much of the country still. So basically we have a situation where we now have to police the airspace above Libya and Gaddafi remains in power.
Reminds me of....Iraq..

Meanwhile several world leaders come out stating they want Gaddafi out - funny that, because I don't see how he is going to be overthrown anytime soon in these circumstances. I fear this is only leading to an escalation in "foreign intervention".
 
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All bullshit, this ceasefire.

Benghazi is currently under siege.

There will be an important meeting this afternoon, with Hillary Clinton among others, but I hope some other officials can already decide to go out there before the biggies are going to talk with eachother.

A Dutch cameraman was one of the people who filmed how a Libyan jet was shot down (which caused a lot of cheer).

Afterwards it seemed the jet was in hands of the opposition.
 
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According to Al Jazeera, it was a rebel jet that was shot down.
 
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Well, historically for the first time, everyone in the UN agrees that something needs to be done. But no one knows what to do.. ::)

Looking forward to the press conference Sarkozy is gonna give this afternoon....
 
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SixesAlltheway said:
Well, historically for the first time, everyone in the UN agrees that something needs to be done.
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You ought to check your history again.
 
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French air force is flying over Libya now. They have been sighted over Bengazi.

It will be difficult to attack anti-aircraft guns because it is reported that Khadaffi has put women and children at these locations.
 
Re: Allied Forces at War with Libyan Regime

Denmark has stationed 6 F16s in Sicilia, ready for operation in Libya by Sunday.
6 Canadian CF-18 Hornets and US F18s a.o. types are on their way or have landed there as well.
Belgium will send F16s and one minesweeper, next Monday.
Norway said it was prepared to send six F-16 fighter jets to enforce the no-fly zone, but that they wouldn't be operational for five to six days.

Probably, the location of the commando center of this allied operation is going to be in Naples.

Holland hasn't been asked yet, our prime Minister says that we are willing but first waiting for a request from the North Atlantic council, which will be held today and tomorrow.

And while I am typing this, I hear the incoming news that French jets have started with enforcing the resolution (attacking).

Khadaffi's air force: 1980s material
Allied Forces air force: 21st century material
 
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